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Rogue rights | Started by: Berserk on Dec 03, '12 19:41 |
Berserk wanders the streets with something on his mind.
Ladies and gentlemen i`ve come too these streets today in search of an answer to a difficult question that fascinates me.
My question being WHEN would it be exceptable to rogue if at all.Now i`d like to state this as pure curiosity, i myself have never witnessed a rogue nor the reason behind their actions.I know as humans throughout history the need to rebel is never far.My question id like answered is can there be a valid reason too rogue or are these mysterious people just simply unjustified thugs.
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When is it acceptable? |
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Reply by: tiggy at Dec 03, '12 19:54 | |
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One thing I would like to add is with the introduction of this "Rogue" person that pops up from time to time it has cheapened the title the same as the ranks of Made Man and higher have been by this nonsense of demotion for protection if you are loved enough and allowed by the powers that be to spend your hard earned money doing so... |
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Reply by: tiggy at Dec 03, '12 19:57 | |
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There is no valid reason to leave your family un-announced ,wich is called going rogue.I belive your subject is absurd.A rogue is a threat for the society,wich cannot be allowed |
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Reply by: Chevy_Chelios at Dec 03, '12 19:58 | |
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Acceptable to whom?
Acceptable to the disgruntled mobster's leader? Probably never. However, many times throughout Cosa Nostra history, the collective underlings felt that they were not getting opportunities or a fair shake, and wished to overthrow the powers that be. In those situations, the person who stepped up and took power away from those who held it was hailed as a hero by those who felt oppressed. The rogue who is successful in his overthrow is no longer considered a rogue, but has earned legitimacy.
Life is too complicated to have a "one size fits all" response to such open-ended questions. |
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Reply by: Mortimer_H_Furburger at Dec 03, '12 20:22 | |
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History is written by the victors. Ultimately, I don't think there's much that can be added that hasn't already said. However, I was thinking of a similar topic in the aftermath of the death of Don Petrov, and it gave me pause for thought.
Now, current etiquette dictates you don't visit the funeral of a Rogue regardless of your relationship with them when they were alive. I won't go into the ins and outs, I think it's a reasonable policy and I can see why the 'policy' - such as it is - exists. The trouble is though, where is the line drawn? It's quite an arbitrary mark in all honesty. We could point to KingOrc recently, the ill informed Goomba who bought out with the intention of forming his own crew. There was no malicious intent there, just a lack of knowledge and common sense; yet he could easily be defined as a Rogue.
Far more newsworthy, we had the death of Don Petrov, as I've already mentioned. From Godfather Squidmaster's own lips, Petrov had gone against his Godfather and city to pursue his own agenda. Now it's not for me to besmirch the dead but at the very least you'd have to consider that selfish behaviour, and it really isn't too much of a stretch to consider it the actions you'd expect of a Rogue.
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Reply by: NoahLevenstein at Dec 03, '12 20:57 | |
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If you go rouge and succeed, it can only be because you managed to collect massive continental support for your cause. If someone manages to drum up the kind of support nessecary to be successful, then they probably have a pretty compelling case, or at least the kind of skill and charisma it takes to convince enough powerful people that your shiny turd is truly a diamond.
If you go rouge and fail, then your case was shit, your leadership skills are shit, and you're a dumbass for throwing your life away. When the dust settles, you will just be a rabble-rouser who has sown chaos for the sake of chaos, or someone too stupid to recognize that their cause was hopeless.
I think asking whether it is right or justified is the wrong way to approach it. Nothing we do is right, acceptable, or justified. This thing of ours exists outside of such conventions. Right and wrong are determined by outcomes. |
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Reply by: Aves at Dec 03, '12 21:10 | |
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it is a complex matter and one i think we should speak about in an open fashion, as it was touched upon the lack of knowledge that led to a goombas death is bewildering.I think education would maybe be more powerful than any weapon,all members should be taught everything about dealing with these people the word rogue shouldnt be whispered |
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Reply by: Berserk at Dec 03, '12 21:14 | |
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if nothing we do is right or justified then surely rogueing is all part and parcel in our way of life and by that means will never truly be stopped |
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Reply by: Berserk at Dec 03, '12 21:19 | |
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Education of new members is up to the organisation that they join... Not like there's a shortage of choices either. Choose carefully, ask questions. |
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Reply by: tiggy at Dec 03, '12 21:30 | |
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I need to clarify one my opening statement... Woops?
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Reply by: tiggy at Dec 03, '12 21:36 | |
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oh my apologies tig i certainly didnt blame the full community it can for sure be their own faults. i was just hoping we could all discuss this and hopefully good can come of it |
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Reply by: Berserk at Dec 03, '12 21:42 | |
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I'll go a bit further and say education is 100% the new member's responsibility. The mafia is no place coddling. Back when my first ancestors came over on the boat, education consisted of a bullet between your eyes if you did't figure things out on your own quick enough. |
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Reply by: Mortimer_H_Furburger at Dec 03, '12 23:18 | |
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