"It is already known by those who matter that she would have led her district to stand alongside Chicago."

"The only reason you fought was because it was your plan from the off to sit huddled under the wing of another city rather than establish autonomy for your own city that YOU were supposed to lead. Some leadership, that."

So, since they sided with Philly and New York, they "huddled under the wing of another city", but if you had worked with Chicago, you would be "establishing autonomy for your own city"? I don't think I need to tell you how terrible you sound right now.

If you really think Detroit "huddled under the wing of another city" during this war, I'm afraid you're thinking quite little of your own city. Which, then again, isn't surprising. You probably haven't even met most of them.

If we're going to go on about inactivity as a leader then where's the attention being paid to Clockwork Angel? She's been inactive most of her leadership and didn't do much for the city she turned her back on in order to assist in this war.  The only thing she has on Lilac is that she made a decision to act and participate in cause she believed in rather than just sit on the fence and wait for the inevitable without a fight.

You didn't retire. You got pwned in the face.

My statement had to do with the way some CLs and hands handled themselves when resolving "conflicts" with other cities. Fuck, just the way they came off in general, especially in the streets.

Rw,

Like I said I understand in a form but please do not insert all of Chicago in to that as most of us worked out asses off for months on in attempting to make Chicago a respectable city and one of the best. I think we did our jobs if I may say so.

If you want honesty, certain people have more influence over a region then others. How they hold themselves is how the region is seen, Chicago came off as a certain way to me. It kept falling lower and lower until the point my ancestor said "fuck this" and retired rather than wait to probably not be relocated.

Anyways, "A few bad eggs blah blah blah"

That is exactly what it is RW is a few bad eggs. The majority of us have tried our best to be respectable and make a name for this city. Yes we all make mistakes or maybe we say something we didn't mean it happens but for the majority of the time all I have seen come out of Chicago has been respected mafioso's trying to make a name for themselves.

I have tried my best to make my name known and tarnish that reputation I created for myself many years ago. Many of us have shared the same attitude as I have and live or die it was a honor to serve for Chicago.

CupCake, if you believe Detroit "hid under philly's wing" then wow... just wow...

I didn't know your mother could think that lowly of her own city. Detroit have been AMAZING since this war began, total equals and deserve all the credit they will get for the fight they put up with us.

They have not hidden, but risen above any and all expectations.

This whole thread was nothing but a cheapshot at SpaceCowboy. He might stop, but I still have my own bone to pick with you...

How's this for a cheap shot?

A few months back, shortly after my grandfather's grandfather died, my grandfather told a CL that he could talk DT into warring NY and PH to try to stir shit and get people talking about taking them down. Shortly after I decided to stop screwing around and went legit, did the earnings thing, shooting, and even held my tongue on A LOT of occasions. The CL I was joking with months ago came back to ask if DT would still join the effort. I assumed he was still bsing like we did before but I told him the truth. I told him I had no say in DT and I couldn't push anyone to war. Discouraged by this, the CL pushed on for me to say DT would war PH and NY. I again told him I had no idea and I was lying in the past... I grew worried of why he was pushing for this. If he was really looking to war, why would he risk showing his hand and just keep forcing the same questions on me over and over again after I clearly showed I couldn't get him support. He then asked for an individual member of DT's opinion on Phil and lied about a private conversation with him... so I did what I thought was right and brought the logs forward to warn DT this man was trying to get someone to say something that could be used against them. The logs weren't enough to prove anything other than he was snooping... DT leadership was asked and agreed they wouldn't give up the logs or my name but would look out for his activities after I begged them not to do anything but be wary of his actions. YOU gave them to the city he was from. YOU were DT's leak. And the worst part is that you weren't DT's leak because you were plotting, you were DT's leak because you were too fucking stupid to realize what you were doing. You then didn't even follow up on the matter. YOU WENT FUCKING AFK AGAIN.

So quick question... what kind of a leader burns one of their members to give a CL a slap on the wrist AND THEN GOES AFK? Where was your loyalty on that move? You're a little girl who can't control her emotions, not a leader. So go fuck off.

I'm still displeased with all this dirty laundry and mud throwing going on here.

We are better than this. I think Severe has summed it up nicely and he is on the enemy side.

We should be proud and not resort to tantrums.

What is easy is not always right. What is right is not always easy. The loyalty displayed by Detroit and by people I am now glad to call friends is inspiring.

Try to spin the reason whichever way you want, but Lilac threw in the towel and headed off into the sunset. That was the decision she made and that will always be her legacy. A pathetic lack of leadership, at a time if your reasons are to be believed and she disagreed with the direction things were heading, that her family needed her the most.

Detroit should have sided with Chicago.

Chicago probably the second strongest city after Philly. Detroit should have known a big city like Philly would have split, because Ladyfighter, Aidan and Sephiroth who are as loyal a Judas but Detroit were as ignorant as boars dung to understand DeadlySin couldn't even keep his shit together. If they had a thought back to when Roman and Premier were about. Half of Chicago split and then the rest of the cities cut Chicago and New York down like they were grass. Just like now Detroit and Philly are left to shit while Chicago becomes the best city now. Congratu-fucking-lations Detroit.

"Try to spin the reason whichever way you want, but Lilac threw in the towel and headed off into the sunset."

better than what the original plan was lol

As the grandson of SammyGarcini, I would just like to clear something up.

These logs of a CL speaking to Natural Disasters father/grandfather or whatever, were given to Sammy by both his own city, and SpaceCowboy. You all hold SpaceCowboy in such a high regard, keeping his word to his city and what not, well, no. The names in the logs, were all left there. No names were taken out of the logs that Sammy received from Space.

Either myself or my son/grandson will be speaking about this whole war scenario and what has actually happened when this war is over. It's still very much in the balance. I suggest all of us that are no longer able to do anything for the time being, sit back and watch as it unfolds. There has already been a few twists and surprising turns. I would guess there is going to be more.

I believe in CupCake.