I see no point in questioning the auth, their IWP etc etc.

I'd bleat, Vladimir, but you're doing so well on your own in doing so.

Of course, you would be more comfortable throwing your toys out of your pram rather than bleating, so I understand.

Lets remember that Ladyfighter's kin fought to free Philly and was an intricate part of that success. I commend her kin for that.

I'd just like to point out that a lot of people fought in that war. A lot of people died in that war, some bloodlines twice protecting those that could still fight. So maybe we should remember those people just as much as Ladyfighter shouldn't we? I mean after all it wasn't just one person that fought that war. On top of that, that was her mother. I think they want things based on themselves and not their parents, uncle, aunt, sister before them. At least that's what I have gathered from reading it.

i am pretty sure we all know lots of people fought but they were not just authed so speaking of their current nonexistant auth would be pointless.

there are plenty who havent gotten a chance who deserve it too. its time to sit back and see if we get a bunch of coffee shop/pal auths or if we see those who deserve itauthed. 

its time to sit back and see if we get a bunch of coffee shop/pal auths or if we see those who deserve it authed. 

Wouldn't you rather put faith in the new Godfather to actually be more than just a gun? History shows that he's been known for being a hitter, amongst other things but I'm not here to discuss that. I am here to discuss the quality and vision he has in respect to the future. We have seen it before, Godfathers step up and turn this world into something exciting and worth being a part of going back to the very beginning. But mundane was not something I pegged you for Harris.

So, many out there feel as strong about it and I know this through the large, generous sums of money sent my way for speaking up. I don't have much more to add and hope that the even if it's the only thing you take from this and by you I mean anyone who's in the good Godfathers shoes, is that there's plenty of imagination out there to go around, please use some.

Can you sit there and tell me out of the entirety if Chicago, you could not find one single valuable member worthy of the opportunity to be given their colors?

Oh believe me, I could easily find many many other individuals within Chicago who are more than capable to be "given their colors" (Did you notice Ziva by the way? Recently authed under me here in the Loop? Who's bloodline has to my knowledge not ran a crew before? Ah, guess you missed that otherwise you would have been the first out here stating how great it is to see fresh bloodlines given a chance, right?) as you put it and who's to say I won't in the coming weeks? 

Incase you hadn't noticed though, in regards to New York, those who are selected to head out there are not just faced with the task of leading a family, they are also faced with the task of rebuilding an entire city from scratch. Now, it would be unfair of me and I myself wouldn't feel comfortable in sending someone to New York to help in the rebuilding process that I don't feel are quite yet ripe enough to do so.

Over the coming weeks, Chicago will be sending more individuals over to New York, but when I feel they are good and ready to go. What I won't be doing is sending people over there that are unprepared right now just to satisfy people such as yourself. The point I'm getting at here is, have some fucking patience before throwing your toys out of your pram.   

But like you said, this isn't an experiment. I guess you have put a lot of thought and effort into this brilliant idea.

For your information, the way we have decided to set up New York was not exactly what I originally wanted to do with the city, but there is no point me going into that any further because nothing is going to change now. However, when we are told by the Gods that we have a little under 12 hours to make a decision on the city or else is disappears off of the map, it limits what we can do within that timescale and resources available.

So Cpt-Harris-Godfather-Extraordinaire. Adapt from those circumstances and put a little effort into it. Use what you have learned and experienced first hand and do something for those who deserve it.

Can I just ask, what exactly did Detroit propose we do with New York? What input did Detroit exactly give on what they thought would be the best way to go about filling New York? Oh wait a sec, that's right, none. 

The last time I checked, I was Godfather of Chicago, not Godfather of Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia. Both Detroit and Philadelphia have acting Godfather's with yourself being the RHM of Detroit until today. If you feel (as you obviously do) that you had a better plan regarding New York, why was this not put forward to either Creep, Frank or myself, especially when you heard we had a matter of hours to come up with a solution?

You are quick enough to come out here and lay blame at my feet, while your city, of which you were the right hand man of, offered fuck all. 

Before coming out here to criticize, maybe next time you should actually offer your input of a better solution if you don't like mine. 

Oh believe me, I could easily find many many other individuals within Chicago who are more than capable to be "given their colors" (Did you notice Ziva by the way? Recently authed under me here in the Loop? Who's bloodline has to my knowledge not ran a crew before? Ah, guess you missed that otherwise you would have been the first out here stating how great it is to see fresh bloodlines given a chance, right?) as you put it and who's to say I won't in the coming weeks? 

I did not miss a thing, in fact, you, like your counterparts here have missed what the initial issue was. Take another look or have someone read it out for you.

Incase you hadn't noticed though, in regards to New York, those who are selected to head out there are not just faced with the task of leading a family, they are also faced with the task of rebuilding an entire city from scratch. Now, it would be unfair of me and I myself wouldn't feel comfortable in sending someone to New York to help in the rebuilding process that I don't feel are quite yet ripe enough to do so.

Reiterate, reiterate, more reiterating your initial point, still failing to understand what was asked of you. Only thing I see is that you've acknowledged that there is plenty of potential in your city. Just none good enough to be considered and looked over by someone who's going at it back to back. I never once said Ladyfighter nor Alucard were not worthy. In fact, I think their bloodlines may have this opportunity in the future at will. But letting someone don the bold suit 2 weeks after the death of their parent who also was fortunate enough to don that very suit I find selfish? Lacking? Unimaginative? Maybe your bloodline is used to that sort of thing. Bad breeding I suppose.

The point I'm getting at here is, have some fucking patience before throwing your toys out of your pram.   

No toys were thrown, you just aren't used to being called out on your decision by someone who's bloodline has had plenty of experience in teaching you new era mobsters a thing or 2.

There's some more blah blah blah in there and I could go on, but I should skip to the to end.

The last time I checked, I was Godfather of Chicago, not Godfather of Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia. Both Detroit and Philadelphia have acting Godfather's with yourself being the RHM of Detroit until today.

No one is refuting who you are and where you belong, though plenty reserve their opinions. As for me being a RHM until today, I asked to be let go and dropped to be a regular joe. As a regular joe speaking his own mind and not reflecting directly of his leader. A choice I made as I know whats best for me, my CL, my city and probably you. No, actually I do know what's best for you. Unfortunately, I rather not waste my time giving you that lesson.

I'll tell you one thing though Harris, you'd make one hell of a politician. You came out here and talked about everything and nothing at the same time. Next time you feel the need to show your street prowess, how about answering the question posed like the leader you are and not that of a beauty pageant contestant.

This is a fucking pitiful attempt to "teach a lesson" to Cpt-Harris. First of all, when you try to rebut someone, quoting some of their words doesn't hide the fact that you blatantly ignored two of the Godfather's most important points. One, that he was under pressure from the Gods to make this decision quickly. Two, that you provided absolutely no ideas or solutions until the decision had already been made. And even then, you've only provided invalid criticisms of his solution, to which he has responded. These two, seemingly vital, points to Harris's response deserve a response if you're going to sit there and pretend that he's saying "everything and nothing at the same time", and you're not.

Second, simply implying that there's something you could teach Cpt-Harris or that your bloodline has done it in the past doesn't fucking matter. Say what you want to say, or shut the fuck up. Pretending you have more to say just makes you look like a bitch.

Third, the question you asked was "Can you sit there and tell me out of the entirety if Chicago, you could not find one single valuable member worthy of the opportunity to be given their colors?" To which, Harris provided his answer: "Oh believe me, I could easily find many many other individuals within Chicago who are more than capable to be 'given their colors'". Plain and simple, he answered the one real question you asked. 

You're making an ass of yourself, so I suggest you stop considering yourself so high-and-mighty and drop the elitist attitude.

Jekyll, I understand your frustrations but I do feel there is a point here to be made.

Is Cpt-Harris giving fresh people a chance to don a bold suit? Undoubtedly. My bloodline has never been a CL before, indeed, my mother died as an enemy in the previous war. The situation arose where Ariadne chose to step down, and rather than going for a more experienced mobster or somebody who may have been known better to him, he came straight to me and offered me this chance, and has supported me with it from the word go. 

At the same time though, I'm assuming from what I know of the position that a Godfather is placed in when choosing auths, while you do want to be giving new people a chance, you don't want your whole city to be full of gambles. You need some constants. You need people that you can trust and rely on to get the job done. Alucard and Ladyfighter are clearly two such people in the eyes of Cpt-Harris, and considering what we saw in the last war, where Godfathers of the same cities fought against each other, can you really blame him for wanting to turn to people he can trust AS WELL AS giving others a chance?

glad the gods stepped in. you fucks where going to let an other city close down. way to go guys. your efforts are incredible

Thank you Cpt-Harris for informing the public of the city head's decision for New York and congratulations to Ladyfighter on her auth.

(That's all that needs to be said... some people just want the spotlight)

Jekyll, Hyde, or whoever the fuck you want to claim you are right now, you don't know a thing about the situation.

Do you know the inner workings of Chicago? No. Do I? Yes.

The Gods gave us a very small time frame to work with. If we didn't have New York filled by this time, it would be closed down, much like Boston was in the past. Do you want to see another city closed down? I would fucking hope not. We did what we had to do, so fucking deal with it.

The fact that you come out here on your, quite frankly, fucking huge high horse, is hilarious. You are nothing. You are some two-bit Goomba who thinks he can say whatever the fuck he wants. I'm all for free speech, but when talking to a Godfather, you have to have a little thing called respect. Guess they didn't teach you that in these 'old days' that you're from, eh?

Harris already pointed out that the auths would not merely be leading a family, but rebuilding a city. I feel like I'm talking to some kind of child repeating it, but you seem to need it, so here goes. We could've sent many people to set up in New York, but many would not have been ready for the task, and better suited to a Crewleader position in an already established city. Now, before you go off on one again, I understand that your main concern is about the next of kin receiving this honour so soon after their mother had died. Well, you should've inferred this already, but obviously it needs spelling out for you.

The people that could have been authed, who's mothers and fathers died in the war, WERE NOT READY TO BUILD A CITY. Are you getting the message now, Mr. I don't know who the fuck I am?

Other people were asked to take part in this, and they declined it as they either didn't feel they were ready, or didn't want to be tasked with rebuilding a city. My bloodline knows from first hand experience how difficult it is building a city from the ground up, so it's an understandable feeling.

You bark on about the amazingly generous cash sums you are receiving in tips for speaking up, well I got news for you. People will tip you regardless as what you say, as long as you throw a few underhand comments about the current leadership in. You could've moaned on about a particularly pleasant slice of toast you had this morning, throwing in the underhand comment, you would still get tipped. Don't think you're something special just from the tips, because you really aren't.

If I've missed anything, I apologise, but you really aren't worth much more of my time. I just thought I'd come here and back my Godfather up, as a loyal member should.

For the time being, I'd wait until you know the facts before running your mouth about things. Are you a Plumber by any chance?

So Jekyll, we'll be seeing a speech from you on the thread announcing the auth of Lex_Luthor in Detroit condemning your own city leader for authing someone who's father just died as a CL, will we?

Wouldn't you rather put faith in the new Godfather to actually be more than just a gun? History shows that he's been known for being a hitter, amongst other things but I'm not here to discuss that.

Even though you are not here to discuss that, I will reply to the question. HELL YES I think there should be more than a gun. We have seen guns and pals get auth and watched them do nothing, even keep their family from ranking because they were lazy. I am not in favor of a repeat performance. So far, I see solid auths for NY. That is my opinion. Will it evolve into future bad auths because of friendships and guns? I hope not.

Cheyenne watched as all the white men and some women bickered back and forth. She stood back in the shadows as they continued to throw air punches at each other. Standing there she was slowly carving a knife out of a stick of wood, all while listening to them arguing. She picked up the important words, as most of them talked too fast for her to understand everything being said.

Finishing her piece of work, she walked out and could feel eyes turn to her. People weren't used to "savages" among their streets and she could feel the fear in their hearts.

"You white men are crazy."

She said slowly speaking one word at a time.

"It is like a competition between who has the most wind in their lungs to blow at each other. You know you could all use that air to build a fire and do much more with that, than throwing these words back and forth at one another."

Taking her book out she made sure she was saying the right words, she didn't want to accidentally say the wrong thing.

"Time tells many stories. Yet, our time has not been long enough to have much to say, so you must let it grow, let it flourish, time is not ready for this."

"Now all of us go and build ourselves a fire, instead of just blowing wind."

Cheyenne bowed her head before handing the carved knife to Godfather Harris as a gift.

"Lead strongly, not from the shadows, white man."

Congratulations LadyFighter. Great addition to New York, Best wishes.

-VF-

TeoWhateverYourFaceIs, I was already aware of what the situation was with New York. Still doesn't make authing the next of kin 2 weeks later after the death of the father/mother any more right. In fact, I am actually surprised you didn't take a moment to sit and think about it despite your short notice and come up with something brilliant as I thought you may have been able to. I guess I overestimated the likes of many here.

So Jekyll, we'll be seeing a speech from you on the thread announcing the auth of Lex_Luthor in Detroit condemning your own city leader for authing someone who's father just died as a CL, will we?

I still disagree completely with his actions as well. But if the rest of you are okay with working for the same kind of people over and over and over again, then you're the monkeys in the middle. I disapprove and I have my future kin work for new and interesting mobsters and those who give a shit about where this is going.

I think getting off your high horse was the best way put. Harris answered your question quite well in his previous answers. He did not have to let me have this opportunity. He could have easily "authed" someone like you because you come from The_Dean's bloodline. He was very kind and have personally seen him help many people and made sure they have had everything they need. But you neglect to really look around apparently. I mean you of all people should know what respect is and yet because of your past maybe you think you can talk like that to upper structure? Good example for future "new" people you set. I mean really get off your high horse like Teo saidmocking a godfather? Come one Jekyll extraordinaire. "Recyclers" is not new not at all. I didn't see The_Dean go and be "The_Dean-Godfather-Extraordinaire and save the day. In your old bloods era and Romans there was pleanty of "Recyclers". Maybe you feel guilty of not fixing that?