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War Started by: Tracy on Jun 29, '13 07:06

The funniest things seem to start wars these days. People can talk and act like everything is okay. But when you turn your back, you find everything has been twisted and you are at the end of a barrel. Why do I say this? We all know people make mistakes. It happens; No one is perfect. People shoot too fast, misread profiles, and have surprises. Our life outside of this one sometimes intervenes in some unforseen way. Generally, crew leaders get together and discuss what happened and then come to agreement on compensation. But what happens when the son/daughter of said "mistake" wants to take an issue with the party that took the shot? What if "said" party was a crew leader themselves? Are they allowed to yell at the crew leader because they are mad and upset? Or do we need to teach them a further way to show respect, especially if they have been apologized to several times already? Is a 7-day-old earner with 15 units worth 16 credits? Is he also worth the death of two families? No one threatened anyone. No one demanded anything else. The credits were turned over without any direct issue... The only issue was from the dead earner's crew leader thinking the other crew leader had no right to feel they deserved an apology. Even though the apology wasn't demanded which is key: the end result was the death of two families for the slight of nothing.

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If you would read the post, it's a mixture of things that caused this war, none of them by themselves are that bad, but when you throw everything together that I have listed elsewhere I highly doubt many would react differently in my position at all.

whats funny is honestly crew leaders thinking their mistakes aren't a big deal, when they are. People are held responsible for their actions on a daily basis. The credits were handed over with a smack in the face along with the apology request.

i never said the apology was demanded, it was requested as I said. It wasn't just the apology request or just the member dying, or just the arguments behind closed doors that amounted from this, it was everything rolled into one. 

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If you think for one moment that the members of two crews in New York mean more to me than anyone in my own crew, I don't think you understand how family works. And maybe that's why you're so outraged about the compensation; you'd reduce the value of a crew member to how many drugs he can carry. Frankly, I knew very little of how the Queens district was run, but if this is how you think of crew members then I'm not too sad about them getting taken out.

You talk about respect, but you think that murdering a member of another crew (as a fucking crewleader yourself) and then complaining about the demanded compensation isn't a blatant show of disrespect? Honestly, I'm impressed with how Detroit handled it. Got the compensation and the takedown. That's a fucking mafia move.

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No need to disrespect a district just because one CL set a bad example.

Everyone did what they did and now its over.

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Ahhhh look mistakes happen i mean there was a big mistake that happened awhile back where a confused Godfather thought that the gun he was holding was an envelope.

Now its how the negotiations are handled that decide how things go at the end of the day and by the look of things they broke down.

RIP to the fallen

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22 Death's from New York tonight! 22

2 Death's form Detroit!

 

Tonight Detroit ran through Queens killing 22 people over a CL's mistakes and another CL's potty mouth. It's a shame honestly and in the process of this war only 2 people from his city were killed!

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Just goes to show how big respect is in this thing of ours!

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Dom... stop stirring the pot, please.

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I would ask you to stop stirring the pot as well, but whats the fun in that???

How the fuck is it a shame? A very well organized war effort. Yes. A damn near perfect one, in my opinion but how is it a shame?

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I apologize guys... I will now realize there is not freedom of speech in this thing of ours so I will keep my mouth shut from now on

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Good boy.

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With this previous war against Queens, I agree with the actions. Im not just saying this because im Q's LHM, i agreeing cause it was disrespectful. What really pisses me off, is that people keep twisting Q's words and making him sound like the bad guy. Witch he isn't. He tried going to the easy way out and talking out the situation, and that didnt work, so had to take it to the next step.

Yes people died, My they rest in peace, but thats the risk you play here on these shore. Death happens, its the way of life. Some die younger than others, but it happens.

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i under stand  how u feel tracy   a earner's life is not worth two whole crew's deaths.

but things change now it is all over reacting. but sadly what is done is done and it can't be undone

just have to learn  and be careful now since we see what happens now.

just need to rebuild better and better you friend GinoDegerio was screwed over badly too but i told him the same

thing. just be careful and come back better and stronger. this is the life here now not the same as it use to be.

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Ok, so let's say this whole thing is about how many units a member or associate of a crew carries etc... It's not but let's just say it is.

I'm going to tell a story that passed down from generations in my bloodline, my lesson on mistakes such as these.

So my three-million great grandfather was a young Wise-Guy, at this point my bloodline is almost brand-new to this thing of ours. He has 20 drug units that he earned and no credit investment and very little drug money. He has already been taught that he can shoot "inactive gangsters" So one night he's out on the town and stumbles across a gangster bearing this "inactive tag" so naturally he takes the shot.

So he's out about doing his thing and BANG! He's dead and his son was later informed that the person he took the shot at was a sponsored member of a neighboring family, however inactive, anywhere between 10 and 20 units (the level system didn't exist yet) and bears the rank gangster.. A honest mistake, still punishable by death.

Ok, now take a crew leader who is a consig that makes a similar mistake, Except the said victim is an Earner with an investment with the intent of maxing their gun. Now my point being that yes, everyone makes mistakes.. However the severity of these mistakes determines the punishment.

As stated my roots were you even make an attempt on one's life, you die, it's pretty cut and dry. and as a Wise Guy who made an honest mistake, he was just shot, no compensation , so from my angle Q was being very generous. Now I know it's the not same when it' a whole district on the line.

The fact that a Consig who is ALSO a crewleader made this mistake makes the matter worse, however we are only human, right?

I'm not saying that anybody out of Queens was a bad person.

So that's just the numbers and rank factor, what about the way the situation was handled?

So said victim's son comes to find out his father's killer and tells the killer They're not happy and they want an apology, now as the person who killed said victim, is it really that bad that he keeps asking for an apology after being given one as stated many times.. So what? If it's really that bad pay the requested compensation and tell his leader about it, i'm sure the victim will stop.. If he won't stop demanding this and that and you already gave him what he wants and he's still at you, talk to his CL. Work it out in a respectful manner.

As far as the allegation that the crewleader in question should not demand or ask for an apology... The thought would've never even crossed my mind as the shooter, If all you had to do was pay money and/or credits I would've said fuck an apology and payed accordingly and been happy that my family and district has lived to see another day.
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I think the compensation this was good as almost anyone else who took the shot would've for sure been killed without question. It's the matters after that I feel were handled wrong. 

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