Of course, I can be persuaded by logic. When someone like you, Lestat, says something reasonable. However, the lies told by Demonstrate and Alucard are just LAUGHABLE. Seriously, guys, your hilarious lies are going to set off my asthma!

This might be embarrassing for you my friend, but no matter how you spin it your fathers tried to give in and avoid dying rather than fighting to the end. Kind of like Siobhan, but not really. And I don't care if the ghost of George Washington told you to it's okay to give up, sometimes your opponent won't let you give up and clearly you didn't read the situation correctly. There were only a few details to create a difference between your fathers' predicament and Siobhan's, that is true. But unfortunately for you they were the most important details in a successful surrender.

As for your grandfathers, their only role in this was the decision to kill rather than ask to step down.

Aye, sorry we werent looked at as the one to be traitors.  Thats fine, really it is.  

I mean your word is shit Po who was on the protection list, and was my fathers member is now dead.  Keep up the good work fuck ups.

LOLol, both Lestat and Alucard are both vampires, half vampires, something vampmire. I wouldn't laugh at them or describe what they say as laughable. I mean, unless you have a witch on your side. Then you might have a chance!

You weren't given the opportunity to surrender, you attempted to create it on your own. And Madchild- actually asked upper structures for the WS before you could even comment. That being said your member had the wrong tags, so it's difficult to pursue any punishment even if the WS is found. And just fyi, protection orders aren't magical blankets that protect people from dying.

You're right, there was one difference. That difference was that her offer was apparently genuine and ours was a lie. Perhaps it was boob-power?!

You guys were toying with us for days and even holding meetings with Goten. If you'd killed us at the end of the war, I wouldn't be here. I would have thought "oh, this is just war even though they lied about the reasons for war too but it's all good". However, to take a couple days after the war was over and then decide to kill us, made me angrier than I've ever been before. 

Why it was okay for her to not fight but not for us, well, I'm not getting that at all. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you here though.

You weren't given the opportunity to surrender, you attempted to create it on your own.

There you go again. sighs You came to us. You really should stop lying your asses off, you guys. It's not good for your noses!!

LOLol, both Lestat and Alucard are both vampires, half vampires, something vampmire. I wouldn't laugh at them or describe what they say as laughable. I mean, unless you have a witch on your side. Then you might have a chance!

Reply by: TokyoZombi at Oct 24, '13 08:26

Well, I don't really talk to the witches I've known anymore because, well, they're witches. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I actually couldn't disagree more South-Paw.

They didn't kill him because of his bloodline, they simply decided that based on his bloodlines actions that leaving him alive wasn't a safe option. There is a massive difference here.

I couldn't care less about what was said or done, I wasn't involved in any of this takedown. But from the comments made in regards to Goten's death I can't say I feel it was about his bloodline and thus it isn't bloodlining.

The fact they were honest about using the history of his family against doesn't actually make things worse imo, its a refreshing change. Everyone else is screaming about honesty etc, yet when folk are honest we get people encouraging them to hide behind lies? You never can please everyone I guess.

Yeah, you're right, they're being honest about why they killed us but they don't have the balls to say that they initially invited us to live alongside them. Hence why they stopped shooting at us. If they did that,well, then they'd have to come up with some other excuse as to why Siobhan isn't as traitorous or untrustworthy as we are. 

Traitorous? I do believe they offered Siobhan the Olive Branch 1st which has been done before on many occasions It was up to her if she accepted. The difference being is Goten approached the aggressors requesting to be spared.

We have seen Olive branches being handed out plenty of times Jessiejames ring a bell?

That same olive branch was extended to Goten. 

My regret was the time I spent trying to convince my crew that Detroit & Co. were good people who would stand by their word. This is obviously not the case and the new Philly "regime" should be trusted at your own peril.

As a watcher from the sidelines I must say the past few days of events have given the none involved cities some cracking entertainment. I am fairly sure there are lessons to learn from all involved in the recent conflicts. Time will tell if, after they review events and their lives, whether the actions they took, the reasons they gave and their conduct worked best for them all.

Time is a great healer, it can also be the root cause of some massive grudges.

Welcome to our world, the world of the Mafia.

I'm very disappointed, Underdog. I was expecting to vehemently disagree with what you've said and come back out screaming some shit, etc but you went and proved me wrong. Actually said something reasonable. Damn it. 

On a side note, I predict nothing but grudges with time for me. :)

Grudges are good imo. You need a little fire in your belly to make it in this life.

There are people I'll never trust, there are people I will always trust. You live and learn in this thing of ours. Or, well, in Goten's case he learned but didn't live. We all meet our end at some point. I'm sure the Toast bloodline will rise again.

Grudges used to motivate people to work harder and get revenge even though city hall made this matter harder due to the instability it would probably cause, making society more paranoid and less stagnant at stages.  The truth is if someone else is attacked no matter the reason one side says i told you so, if Philly settles and rebuilds under Detroit's partnership the other side says told you this was our only reason.

The truth is Gotens death is the best explained out of many even if expected by some and alleged fabrications by one or both sides.  The truth is whenever people die is always gonna be activity on the streets and an often unhealthy dose of paranoia.  The truth is most of us come to accept there is one way out of this business and we honestly won't know who we pissed off or why or if someone just decided meh. look what i can do.  Thats the business we are in, but the truth is someones always going to say x,y and z, and someone else will say a,b and c and most of the time only d, e and f will know the real truth and the rest of us can have opinions but if not in the private rooms of coffee shops, carrying the telegrams none of us will ever know.

Loyalty is still with Gohan

Admirable stance Leeyo.

Unsure if that comment means you intend to go down with the proverbial ship, though?

Would be a shame especially after Gohan's next of kin trying to get Goten to protect his members but thats just my opinion.