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Stealth v Info Started by: Floki on Feb 04, '14 20:12

Following the last war the admins decided it best to give players the option to allow their CAs to fly around without them, therefore making it hard to trail people during wartime. The change is fair, however, something needs to be done to balance the scale. By making this change, the admins have only managed to tilt the game, in wartime, into the hands of pure stealthers.

In my opinion I believe the time has come for admins to put a counterbalance in based on stats, and stop overpowering Pure Stealth accounts. As a way to readjust the scales I believe Stealth should be cancelled out another person's info, rank and location. 

E.g. Person A is a Don with info stat at 100% and Person B's Stealth is 100% at Wise Guy, Person A should be able to see them. Their stats clearly cancel each other out, but Person A has a rank boost so should be able to see Person B. However, when conducting field test, this has been proven to be incorrect. Furthermore, when Person B is in Person A's home city there should be a further boost to info. This is easily RPable as one would know the majority of criminals in his home city and spot outsiders that much easier. 

I am intentionally not asking admin to boost stealth based on these facts as it is already nigh on impossible to see stealthers who are on 100% stealth.

To tag onto this post, this should be linked further than just locals but also to PP, WS and similar facets of the game. 

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I actually agree with this and correct me if I am wrong but essentially I think what you are saying is that a pure vision would cancel out a pure stealth if they are the same rank?

If so I have been talking about this and asking about this for years but with only a few cities it wasn't a big deal.

I personally think it should be balanced so that people on vision can see people on pure stealth unless it is a Godfather rank. The Godfather rank should be able to use pure stealth correctly to hide from non-Godfather pure vision accounts, it gives an incentive I think if you plan to try to become a Godfather so you go pure stealth in hopes one day you get it and reap the rewards of doing so.

Anyways I support this 100 percent.

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Yea for war nights when it's already hard to find stealths, I think a little balance might need to be made...it make it a even enough playing field b/w stealth and info. 

 

I would like to see a change of this sort. 

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As a person who has been on info many times I can assure you it IS possible for someone on info to see a godfather on pure stealth. I never looked for CA's. Also going back a number of months, I believe vision DID improve in your home district and got worse the farther away you were. At least I believe this is one of the last things I remember being coded in before I left.

Unless something has changed in the last 8 months someone on pure vision should be able to see someone on pure stealth with the right parameters in place. The admin would have to confirm that.

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I think it was the posting that increased the vision? I could be wrong but I believe players such as Jynx, yourself Sneaker, and a few others would do posts so you could see everyone. Correct me if I am wrong please.

I think the problem here is that pure stealth people can just type in some answers and be hidden from most if not all pure vision players who have no posts. They really shouldn't be able to be hidden from people who have the same vision as their stealth.

This is just my opinion and speculation on it so it prob doesn't mean a lot but those are my thoughts anyways.

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Well Billy, stealth is not something that can be trained. you either have it or you don't. Vision must be maintained and maintaining it does involve posting. I don't believe vision was ever a pure 100%.

 

Even though what we figured out over time might have changed, I'd rather not post everything I learned about vision here. Unfortunately, the person who worked with me to figure out many things is no longer here. I'll have to find another coconspirator if I remain. :)

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I have to agree with Mercury here on my last account I was on Info and when I was in the same district I could see Ares who I believe was on stealth.

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I think the main issue here is that pure stealth has to to do absolutely bugger all to be hidden from from nearly everyone where as pure info have to build up that info with a fair amount of work and have then maintain that level of activity to keep it high.

Then there is also the bias towards maxing, stealth only takes 54 kills/ranges to max yet info takes a staggering 81 although yes they are able to see durdens and untouched easier.
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The poster seems to think there is an unfair advantage to stealth people because CA's could be made to not follow a player. If anything, when they implemented CA's following people last year it made the stealth people easier to find by people who were not on info (spot their unstealthy CA and you had them pinned down.)

As I said, I never used someones CA to find them. I found having them following me a convenience when the time came to shoot them for turning on me. All this change really did is give people the option to have things the way they were when they choose. I personally don't think anything was done that needs balancing. Info can still find the stealth people with the same effort it has taken the last number of months when distances began affecting vision. It all makes sense to me.

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