the big question was if donnie is willing to basically attack his own captain in the quest for GodFather what else would he do? 

 I think I should borrow some words from the young, but wise, heh.

Don't hide behind stupid bullshit.

To be fair, Chekov, I'm not sure if "shooting his captains forts without asking" is a great reason for a takedown - IF that is the only reason. It is not the only reason for this move though. It is also pretty disrespectful on Donnie's part to just shoot at his captain's forts without a word to him. For a start it can cause un-needed panic looking to find the shooter, and for another, it really does just seem to be a total disregard of his captains crew and position. It would've taken Donnie minutes to send a message to SpongeBob and ask, and I'm sure it wouldn't have been an issue. Fort shooting to aid ranking is pretty commonplace in this world, but to do it without permission, no matter who you are, in my eyes is incredibly disrespectful and an act of aggression.

What would Donnie have done after hitting Godfather, started shooting SpongeBob's bodyguards because it'd build his gun faster? Where exactly does this end? 

Like I said, not a reason on its own, but definitely a cause for concern if Donnie couldn't even be arsed to communicate with SpongeBob on this issue.

im not sure im getting what you are trying to say chekov

I really hate to get involved but as I have seen other people shooting HQ Forts to gain themselves xp and putting others at risk previously I have to ask. Was Donnie at the very least giving SpongeBob money to repair them? I have seen situations where others allow it and get compensated for it afterwards so I am just wondering if this could have been the case in Bella Vista?

as far as i know the forts were paid for and repaired however i cannot comment on how or who funded the repairs

I really hate to get involved but as I have seen other people shooting HQ Forts to gain themselves xp and putting others at risk previously I have to ask. Was Donnie at the very least giving SpongeBob money to repair them? I have seen situations where others allow it and get compensated for it afterwards so I am just wondering if this could have been the case in Bella Vista?

I'm glad you could get over your distaste for getting involved to, well, get involved Melis, but I'd like to point something out to you. When the vast majority of people do what Donnie was accused of doing, they not only compensate the person who's forts they are shooting, but they actually take the time to ask permission first. Because, to not bother to ask permission would be disrespectful. Godfather Gimli has already indicated that Donnie did not do that, and that that was an issue to SpongeBob. Or should I take your words as an invitation to come and shoot your forts, as long as I send you the money right back? 

Of course, Maria, and I do not condone randomly attacking anyone's forts without their consent and knowledge. My issue was came from how much importance TheTripleDeuce placed on that specific action. And how it caused concern for the future of Philadelphia as a whole.

My point is, Donnie Brasco would be in exactly the same place he is now whether or not he shot Spongebob's forts, so why put so much emphasis on them, TripleDeuce?

Of course, Maria, and I do not condone randomly attacking anyone's forts without their consent and knowledge. My issue was came from how much importance TheTripleDeuce placed on that specific action. And how it caused concern for the future of Philadelphia as a whole.

My point is, Donnie Brasco would be in exactly the same place he is now whether or not he shot Spongebob's forts, so why put so much emphasis on them, TripleDeuce?

Oh, I agree with you, if the forts were the only thing that was allegedly going on here, I'd be sat here shaking my head at the city as a whole. I'm not sure why TheTripleDeuce felt the need to put so much emphasis on them, because the only person who's security was indeed under threat appeared to be SpongeBob himself. Rather than highlighting it as a security concern for the entire city, I'd more address it as an issue of a lack of respect by Donnie towards SpongeBob.

Ack, I wrapped up my words too soon there, my apologies. A lack of respect towards SpongeBob, which may have soon begun, had Donnie reached Godfather, to have transferred to other leaders across the city who he felt were beneath him once he reached the prestigious rank.

it is not importance i am placing on the actions he took what i am merely trying to say is that i guess it was the last straw in a slew of things that had gone down hill with Donnie from the lack of communication not only within bella vista but the rest of Philadelphia as well, the lack of financial responsibility which became so public and was not taken care of in a timely manner as well as the lack of activity he put forth into this thing of ours

Maria

I have seen situations where others allow it and get compensated

This alone states that I didn't suggest they do it without asking first. It says that there have been situations where it has been approved and then the person is compensated for it.  Therefore an arrangement would have been made between the two parties.

Melis 

This alone states that I didn't suggest they do it without asking first. 

That alone states jack shit, other than they compensated for it and that no negative action was taken against the shooter. You didn't at any point say ANYTHING about the possibility that anybody asked for permission. 

You actually asked right before that:

Was Donnie at the very least giving SpongeBob money to repair them?

Again - taking NO account of the idea of fact that it would've been polite if nothing else to ask before shooting.

Maria,

You are coming to a false conclusion of what my words mean. I never said anyone should shoot anyone else's Forts. I merely asked questions to get a better understanding of the circumstances regarding that particular situation.

I have found its better to ask before assuming.

Melis, 

I have found it better to actually spit out exactly what it is you want to say, rather than make noise for the sake of it and complain that others have "come to false conclusions". 

I never said that you said that we should shoot at each others forts. I merely said, since you did NOT actually say anything about anyone asking permission to shoot before shooting (as much as you'd like to have me believe that you carefully layered your words to mask the fact that you did indeed imply that someone had asked, I'm less than convinced that that was actually a thought in your mind at the time) that by that logic, it'd be fine for me to fly on over to Detroit and take a few shots at yours.

Like I said, though. I've found it's better to say what you actually mean than just accuse others of misunderstanding your vague statements.

Ouch, Round 1 Fight!

I wouldn't be surprised, Girls, If your agreable discussions end with unanounced Forts shooting from both sides, with as payment back, golden bullets. lol

Ouch, Round 1 Fight!

I wouldn't be surprised, Girls, If your agreable discussions end with unanounced Forts shooting from both sides, with as payment back, golden bullets. lol

Truth be told mate, I wouldn't waste a bullet on her OR her forts. 

I am gutted to see an old friend go out like that. But then again I'm not in Philly to see why this old friend was removed. Was it for the better? 

I haven't a clue but whats done is done. Rest well Donnie and others, and Congrats to a successful take down Godfather Gimli 

Back to the comment I want to address. 

Pretty hilarious that Donnie-Brasco is killed for his inactivity and yet his even more unproductive Captain is not only kept alive but also agreed to his crew leaders removal. Where is the loyalty in this world? I guess giving someone the chance to run their own crew under you obviously doesn't "inspire" any of it at all. 

~Godfather Desmand 

I have been seeing this recently more over the past 2-3 years move then anything. Where the fuck is the loyalty and death before Dishonor to serving under the very person who has giving you a shot to run a family go. 

I have to strongly agree with Godfather Desmand on this. Honestly things have changed. Hopefully we never lose our old county ways. Or will it dilute till none of the teachings are being taught and the old school dissipates to be nonexistent.

I have been seeing this recently more over the past 2-3 years move then anything. Where the fuck is the loyalty and death before Dishonor to serving under the very person who has giving you a shot to run a family go. 

Like I said earlier, I'm guessing the loyalty and death before dishonor between SpongeBob and Donnie was in the same place as the loyalty and death before dishonor was between Donnie and Ragnar_Lothbrok.

Maria shrugs.