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| Isis gets nuked! | Started by: SaintMichael on Oct 07, '14 08:06 |
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Lets keep praying they get obliterated by the U.S drones, maybe, hopefully they can get a nuke dropped on them. |
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Whilst I obviously agree that we don't need people of this ilk, I would suggest we that refrain from comments regarding the religion in general. Many people follow Alah that are not terrorists, we can't put them all in the same box. There are Christian terrorists out there too like the IRA (and others i'm sure) so lets not be silly about it. |
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| Reply by: TyrionLannister at Oct 07, '14 13:39 | |
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| True, | |
| Reply by: SaintMichael at Oct 07, '14 13:42 | |
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I honestly don't see nukes as the answer, between wind spread, innocents injured, maimed, long term effect of radiation on future residents I see it as creating more future animosity. The biggest danger with terrorists and dissidents is they mix within the general populace and could be anyone, so is hard to know who will suffer by their actions or even who the targets are. |
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| Reply by: Carlos_Hathcok at Oct 07, '14 18:04 | |
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| A 19 year old just went to prison here for trynna join ISIS and giving away information about the U.S | |
| Reply by: SaintMichael at Oct 07, '14 18:46 | |
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| The only way an organisation like isis will be stopped is with extreem actions. No less that 500,000 troops sent into one side of their territory...and then they sweep the entier country untill they controll every town, every village, every city and every outpost. Conviscating any guns and ammunition they find along the way, taking away anything and everything they find that can be used to create any form of exsplosives, and engaging any person/persons that fires upon them...you may not kill every terrorist, but at least you can disarm them which is as good as identifying them..you give all the weapons and ammo gathered to the countrys military..and once they are well equipped, well supplied and in good numbers controlling each facility you leave the country. Giving them a huge advantage over the terrorist who now have no equilment and hopefully a lot less soldiers. | |
| Reply by: Genocide at Oct 07, '14 18:48 | |
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but what about all the ISIS members who are coming from different countries who chose to betray their leaders, how would you know who they are and stop them? |
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| Reply by: SaintMichael at Oct 07, '14 18:53 | |
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| What would it matter? What harm could they cause if once they got there...they had no guns, no ammo, no exsplosives...and were faced against well armed and well established military presence? | |
| Reply by: Genocide at Oct 07, '14 19:03 | |
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what if they decide to stay in our country slowly building followers? |
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| Reply by: SaintMichael at Oct 07, '14 19:47 | |
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If you genuinely think nukes are the answer, I wouldn't even leave you alone with a bottle of Windex unsupervised, in case you drank it. |
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| Reply by: Maria at Oct 07, '14 20:00 | |
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Nukes are never the answer. I think Carlos adequately covered why tbh. |
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| Reply by: TyrionLannister at Oct 07, '14 21:01 | |
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Aye, Carlos got a lot of the reasons. Lets not be forgetting the fact that it's likely that with the tensions and politics globally today, for America or whoever to nuke ISIS gives Russia the okay to nuke Ukraine, Israel to nuke whoever the fuck they want, Pakistan and India to nuke each other... do we really want to risk setting that precedent? |
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| Reply by: Maria at Oct 07, '14 21:06 | |
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Not to mention that IS militants are so dispersed and sparse you'd need to drop several nukes across the whole of the Middle East in order to even so much as scratch the surface. That's... problematic to say the least. It's an issue of great interest to me, given it's my dominant topic of study at present. Sadly, there is literally no right answer to the problem of IS. Each perceived solution has major pitfalls. Their aim from the start has been to draw the West, particularly the US and UK, into another very, very bloody Middle Eastern conflict. If NATO go in all guns blazing, it just looks like yet another Western attempt to exert influence on the Middle East. It also plays very nicely into IS' warped notion of martyrdom, and the feeling of Western occupation will keep their recruitment drive ticking along. If you don't go in, they continue to grow. Simple as that. IS have control of some oil supplies and their militants are very well stocked in terms of arms. In comparison, the Kurds are running out of ammunition and the Iraqi army are quite frankly terrible. The airstrikes of the past few weeks are a vain attempt to stop a ground operation, but it's pretty damn clear they're not helping the situation in the slightest. Look at the current situation in Kobane in Syria, right on the Turkish border. The US are trying to push IS back with strikes but the Kurds keep losing ground regardless, and it's a matter of time before IS capture the place. What happens afterwards? If IS then attack Turkey directly it provides an obligation for NATO to respond definitively, given Turkey is a NATO member state. What does that mean? A major aim of IS is fulfilled. A long, protracted guerrilla war. The West are doing all they can to stay out of it. I get the feeling it'll all be in vain, but at least this time it'll have the backing of major Arab nations. |
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| Reply by: PaulHeyman at Oct 07, '14 22:36 | |
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I highly doubt that ISIS would attack Turkey or make any efforts to open a third front in their back. |
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| Reply by: Scourge at Oct 08, '14 00:02 | |
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I forgot to mention that ISIS has systematically blown up every shrine and tomb in their territory, including Jonah's. |
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| Reply by: Scourge at Oct 08, '14 00:48 | |
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Why do you hate ISIS so much OP? Is it because of the media? What happens next can either evolve humanity as a whole or fuck us up. I'm too young to get fucked. |
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| Reply by: Kal_El at Oct 08, '14 07:39 | |
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Kal El, it might have something to do with the fact they have beheaded people? Just saying. |
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| Reply by: TyrionLannister at Oct 08, '14 07:47 | |
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| What about police officers across our country wrongfully killing/torturing people? We haven't done anything about that yet because they aren't beheading people? Bullocks. | |
| Reply by: Kal_El at Oct 08, '14 07:58 | |
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so if your not against them and dont hate them, then you must be for them right? |
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| Reply by: SaintMichael at Oct 08, '14 08:01 | |
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| That's a ridiculous assumption bro. I'm against anything that has to do with hurting, degrading, torturing, and/or killing my brothers in humanity over reasons as stupid as ISIS', but more importantly I'm against us finding another reason to go to the Middle East so we can gain more western influence. Being international police since WW2, I think this time we need to just chill and not choose a side. We still haven't recovered from the stuff that happened not too long ago. I'm not saying don't support the "righteous" side, I'm just saying we'd take too many losses. | |
| Reply by: Kal_El at Oct 08, '14 08:14 | |
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