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| Regarding the Unsponsored Mafiosi | Started by: Oliver_McTavish on Oct 28, '07 03:39 |
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Your father is partially to blame (adverbs are fun!) for the homeless situation because he assisted -IcePrincess-. She, if you were unaware, killed three crew leaders. Need I explain further? I never claimed that controlling everyone is possible, but allowing your family to do whatever it liked without regard is irresponsible. One function of a crew leader is to police those within your family and your father was inept at doing so. Telling them simply that they should not follow the rogue is not enough. Surely a good leader would know that, as his or her members might be prowacking the rogue (as your father's were). As for your hypothetical situation, it doesn't make a difference what I'd do--the members of my family's hitsquad were ordered back to Chicago and they complied. Oh, and I apologize for mistaking you for your father that one time. It's not my fault you act just like him. |
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| Reply by: Lucks at Oct 28, '07 07:05 | |
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Apology accepted. By the way, when can I get my food? I am starving. |
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| Reply by: FlyingFetus at Oct 28, '07 07:11 | |
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A good leader must take responsibility for the actions of his members. If your Father knew his members were pro'ing IcePrincess, that is even worse. He may not have put the bullet in his own head, sure, but he earned it nonetheless. His actions caused his death, and that lead to his members being homeless. His actions were to support a rogue who killed authed leaders, so in both ways, your Father contributed to the homelessness we are now seeing. Children blame others for things that go wrong for them. Adults accept responsibility and learn to live with their actions. |
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| Reply by: Slevin_Kelevra at Oct 28, '07 07:20 | |
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It's nice to see that we have followed the usual route of bitching in the street. Now, If i did indeed have pro wacker in my family, who did your father inform? Because he certainly did not tell me at any point. Had I been told any member of my family had been aiding a rogue, they would have died in seconds. Much the same stance as your father would have had. So when information comes out that quite a few of your fathers family is keeping the rogue alive and he is doing nothing to stop them what did you expect? When we are also told that your father supported the rogue in killing certain people that was the final straw. Although Elena was not auth'd as such. She set up at a time to try and save those left homeless. I was online at the time and saw how torn she was. She felt she had to do something and I would have probably done the same. Regardless of what you say, supporting a rogue to kill 2 auth'd leaders is shitty. So now, We are left with more unsponsoreds than we can shake a stick at. Me and Oliver have agreed to allow those who want to find a home do so without the fear of having a bullet put in their head. If anyone witnesses any illegal kills, inform your CL or their RH. A new auth will definetly be made tonight for those who do not wish to join us 2 remaining leaders. |
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| Reply by: Scandia at Oct 28, '07 07:50 | |
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| The rights or wrongs of this are irrelevant, there's now 2 CL's, presumably with hit-squads. In their shoes I'd be telling my hitters to fill their boots on any of YouSuck's remaining family - He supported the rogue, they pay the price. | |
| Reply by: Puppeteer at Oct 28, '07 08:14 | |
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Unfortunatly The fact that Your father was ordering his members to prowack -iceprincess- was reason enough to have you killed.I mean you where aiding the rogue in her quest to shoot Mr MCtavishes auth. Did you really think that after people found that out you would still live? Aiding a rogue = Death plain and simple. |
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| Reply by: MontrealCanadiansFan at Oct 28, '07 09:26 | |
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I don't understand this. You make threats about killing unsponsored but spend your hours speaking on our streets. Talk less (some sort of quick interim speech is fine), auth more, get our mafioso into homes, making money, generating criminal income Then come and speak with some authority. Seriously this whole "shoot the unsponsored and I'll get you" Massive error in judgement- You can't stop it. You can't shoot everyone who takes advantage of this situation, you simply can't. I have no view on what has happened over the last few days but You are making an illogical choice here by going for the kill the killers option rather than the home the homeless. Surely you must know some strong auths for candidates. You are a boss with a strong crew, just pick a couple and mentor them up. Easy, more criminals live, more money is made, it's good business, it's common sense. Nike Just do it. |
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| Reply by: Spectavia at Oct 28, '07 09:33 | |
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| Kill them all. To all of you homeless people out there.. remember who made you that way..NOW they want protection. Where was the protection when it was you? Think about it. It's too little too late. Fire at will. KILL KILL KILL | |
| Reply by: Done at Oct 28, '07 10:02 | |
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I disagree with Spectavia. Why can't you shoot everyone who ignores a CL's orders? FlyingFetus, you are demonstrating that you know fuck all about being a leader. You best go get some more experience before throwing your hat back in the ring. Your father's days were numbered regardless of anything that happened in the last couple days. He was a shit leader in every respect. No street presence, no knowledge of how things work, disrespecting funerals, aiding a rogue(despite your justification for it, this will always result in your death). In addition to what everyone else has mentioned, he was also using his own members for target practice, calling four days offline "inactive". That's a big no-no. Rather than coming out here and showing the whole nation just why your father was unfit, why don't you go work for an experienced person and gain some more knowledge under their tutelage, then have another go at it down the road? Don't hold your breath, though. It will most likely be a long time before your bloodline gets another chance. That's what happens when you are given a chance and do nothing with it except make mistakes and be invisible on the streets. |
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| Reply by: maxwell at Oct 28, '07 11:08 | |
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Oh, I just have to throw this in there, too. I can't help it... Stone cold poker face? hahahahahahahahahaha Do you know what a poker face is? It's when you know someone is lying, but you don't let on that you know that person is lying until after you kill him. Does that sound familiar? In other words, your father was the one who was bluffed, thinking he was fooling everyone until it was too late for him. The world of the crew leaders is a step up a few levels in the realm of head games. You were still playing at the rookie level. |
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| Reply by: maxwell at Oct 28, '07 11:33 | |
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| What about unsponsords shooting other unsponsords? | |
| Reply by: F_Nitti at Oct 28, '07 11:35 | |
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Maxwell Obviously because you will never be able to find all the culprits, witness statements don't tend to exclusively route themselves to certain individuals. You can't shoot everyone because you'll never find them all. In fact given sleep times and w/s availability you are looking at 25-30% at best which leaves lots of people dead and nothing done about it. I would've thought that was fairly blatant to be honest. Fairly suprised you couldn't comprehend. |
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| Reply by: Spectavia at Oct 28, '07 11:37 | |
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| It is obvious that you can't kill those who don't get caught. I wasn't referring to those, but only to those who are, in fact, caught. | |
| Reply by: maxwell at Oct 28, '07 11:38 | |
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It will most likely be a long time before your bloodline gets another chance. That's what happens when you are given a chance and do nothing with it except make mistakes and be invisible on the streets. I don't know about that. I can think of plenty of people who've done nothing time after time and still managed to wangle their way back into bold. |
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| Reply by: FollowerOfChris at Oct 28, '07 11:40 | |
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Thee inflated ego's are seriously lacking any frame of reference now. You cant possilby believe that any of us that arent in this supposed spectacular family are taking you seriously now....You have rank thats it...While your supposedly talking about who will be authorized??? Get a grip on reality here glorious leaders, there was a time your were respected by many...Facts are because of rank and being in the right place at the right time, your leading the streets right now....Do you seriosly think that the people in your family will continue to be loyal to you? If for no other reason your behavior on the streets and the manner you speak to people has become deporable at best You speak of authorizing... Walk the Talk Or risk the fact that many of us have become disinterested in being arsed to rank, do drug runs or even bother to get a weapon... The wise thing for us to do is to ban together, crime...send our banks to a higher ranked to hold for us in the McTavish family till we die and start over again...Repeat till they start killing each other off Wake up people its happening now...you have the opportunity now to prove you deserve the position your in...We didnt wake up yesterday and figure out how you got there to begin with The fact that there is 2 CL's for this length of time says it all Comedy of Errors to say the least |
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| Reply by: Lux`et`veritas at Oct 28, '07 11:51 | |
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The fact that there is 2 CL's for this length of time says it all So they should rush and auth the nearest person without assessing who would be the best choice? I seem to remember that having happened before. Oh yeah, it was a complete disaster. |
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| Reply by: Templar at Oct 28, '07 12:15 | |
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FlyingFetus I've looked back on transcripts for conversations on our streets and going back as far as a month there was only one started by your father. His death was inevitable, he did nothing for this community bar providing a home for the unsheltered, he add nothing of great merit and was in general a really really crap leader. The simple fact he aided Ice Princess pretty much sealed the lid on his coffin. Oh and if your gonna bring up the fact that I'm still alive after disrespecting your father in the streets that merely speaks for itself. Obviously I'm of more worth to Oliver than some pitiful alliance with your father ever was. Again I have to say I'm not surprised that you've come out here crying, much like your father did before you. All it took for him to come out was the death of SWYW. Now the death of your father has brought you out here. I wonder whats next from your bloodline, I can safely say it will more than likely amount to nothing. |
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| Reply by: Spanky_McSpangle at Oct 28, '07 12:17 | |
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No Templar no need at all too rush Your correct it does indeed say it all I dont like to assume, so would you mind clarifying? Speaks millions I would dare to say |
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| Reply by: Lux`et`veritas at Oct 28, '07 12:23 | |
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| I won't clarify per se, speaking in hypotheticals and vageries without stating concrete evidence is very much my thing. However, I will say that of the people who are either rushed as an auth after a war, or who set up in a war as a shelter for the homeless generally turn out to be pillars of mediocrity, at best. | |
| Reply by: Templar at Oct 28, '07 12:27 | |
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Hell, I admit, my father didn't speak in the streets that much. Does that make him a fucktard as a leader? No. All I will say is at least my father didn't speak the same speech twice. One in this world of ours and supposedly the one before ours.(Sprozza) I would like to point out where Sprozza spoke in the streets, besides him announcing his family. Once. Likewise with Elana. Scandia spoke *once* about his bars(I did that, but only in my family). Hell, Polpot posted once because Sprozza told him to do it in the coffee shops. He didn't even create a speech announcing his family, much like I didn't. But of course, my father is the horribly bad one. I only get criticize, because I am the only one who can seemingly post in this world. Besides Poppy and Zeb productions. They are great. Sure, my father helped a rogue. The thing is, Oliver knew the whole entire time. He knew from once IP was rogue to when I died. Alright, commence abuse. |
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| Reply by: FlyingFetus at Oct 28, '07 15:01 | |
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