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| As the Ox Sees It | Started by: Butt_Ox on May 16, '09 12:01 |
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The Mighty Ox steps out into the streets and takes a look around. He notices a few mobsters standing about here and there. He snickers to himself as he observes them all. There is one standing on the corner, picking his nose and eating his boogers. Another one is wearing his underwear on the outside of his pants. Yet another mobster seems unusually interested in a pile of dog feces that decorates the sidewalk, occasionally poking it with his finger and then sniffing his finger. Just another day in today's mafia, the exceptionally handsome Ox thinks to himself. He shakes his head and begins to speak to the assembled cretins... Greetings, scum. I thought I would step out into public today and grace the lot of you with my radiant presence. There is a recent trend that to me is quite disturbing. When, for whatever reason, a Boss needs to take a swim, not only are his trusted high-ranked associates given safety to continue with their lives, but they happily do so without a single thought of loyalty or revenge. This morning's episode with TM Scarface got me thinking about this. Yes, I know that TM was technically a Captain, or so we were told, but it got me thinking anyhow. First of all, allow me to go off on a slight tangent. A Captain pays tribute to his Boss. If he is not paying tribute to a Godfather, he is not a Captain. He runs his own family. A Captain does not have a 50-person caporegime. If he did, that would make him a Boss. Until you fucktards learn the difference between a Boss and a Capo, I would like to humbly request that you refer to anyone wearing a bold jacket as a Boss. In fact, don't even speak without my permission. This will both make me happy and prevent you from looking stupid. Anyhow, where was I? Oh yes, we have these BOSSES (see above - there are no Captains outside of New York) who are so pitiful at garnering loyalty and respect, that their members who are sworn to loyalty until death have not a single thought of retribution for an attack on their family. I'm not here to poke fun at the disloyal punks who run to the nearest safe harbor, however. I'm here to point out just how miserably inadequate these Bosses are. I can't imagine that if I was to be so gracious as to offer my services as a Boss, any one of my soldiers would do any less than defend my family name with their life, and should an attack ever come against us, they would fight until the last drop of blood was spilled. The recent cowardice is a far cry from the days of Salvatore Riina, whose members fought to the last man standing, even after the death of their fearless leader. Now, we have RHMs and LHMs who not only will not fight for their family, but will run off to join an attacker. Munchkin was once a RHW to Muqtada. When Muqtada was killed, she did not continue the fight. Instead, she sought safe harbor. Ironically enough, when Munchkin later gained auth for herself, we saw the ONLY instance of a family fighting for their leader after her death, despite any personal beliefs on the war. It is important to note I said "despite any personal beliefs", since we have heard it mentioned that these members should not die "for the mistakes of their Boss". Let me make one thing clear...the mistakes of the Boss are the mistakes of the family, because the family follows the Boss and stands behind all his decision. That's some pretty elementary mobster shit. Soak it in, retards. Today, we have seen Godfather Nicky issue an edict demanding safety for the family of the Boss that he just killed. Isn't he at all worried that some of these Capos and other high ranks will seek revenge? Of course he isn't. Here's why: First of all, none of these fucktards have any idea what a Capo di Tutti Capi does. They think that a Godfather is the head of all families in a city. Wrong, dumbshits. The families are still autonomous. Nobody is the head of more than one family, no matter how high ranked. So what does a Godfather do, then? He is like a facilitator. He settles disputes between families within the city. He decides how to divide up the local rackets among the families. He gives counsel to other family heads. He may influence the business between families. But he does not lead each family as a Boss. He is simply the most powerful Boss, and the one that the others look to for guidance and blessings for their actions. So then, because you fucktards do not understand this role, you think that a Godfather is the head of every family in a city, and therefore the members of a fallen Boss are still loyal to the Godfather. Please, let me clear this up right now. A soldier is loyal to HIS BOSS. Not to the Boss of another family. A Godfather is the Boss of another family. Unless the fallen mobster is a Capo of the Godfather (a captain to the Boss), then they are not in the same family and the soldier is loyal to the fallen Boss. As I have already pointed out, there are no Captains. Secondly, another reason I am sure Nicky is not worried is because TM Scarface was a shit leader. A leader must lead. He must be someone that everybody wants to get behind and follow to death. He must inspire those around him in order to extract their loyalty. Salvatore Riina was a great example of this. He preached mobster values and ideals, and he led by example. He would die for any of his family, and his family would have died for him. Can the same be said of TM? Fuck no. He did nothing to inspire loyalty. He barely even stuck his neck out into the streets to make himself seen. In order to inspire the kind of loyalty that makes a high ranked mobster want to die for you, a Boss must be someone that the others look up to. What did TM do to make anyone look up to him? Waits.... Exactly. Not a damn thing. Oh, I'm sure he robbed an assload of 7-11's in his day, but that does not earn the same kind of loyalty as getting your ass out into the street and moving people with your words. Let me tell you a little story about the best damn soldier anyone in my bloodline ever had the privilege of leading. An old man named Piggeh some years ago woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and decided to kill Striphe. It was a fairly routine assassination. Striphe cooperated and died like was supposed to, but then a Wiseguy who was loyal to Striphe came out into the streets and started ranting and raving like a maniac. He called Piggeh names that would have made a sailor blush. He had no chance of exacting revenge on his own, but he was intent on trying, nonetheless. Where is this kind of outrage and loyalty? Why can't recent leaders seem to inspire it anymore? On with the story...so, anyhow, the old Pig was impressed with the young man and talked him into calming down. He even sent the man an invitation to join his own family, which he accepted. The young man did all the right things and stayed with the family until Piggeh's death. Piggeh's family was continued by Black_Fog, who later retired and handed over the reins to Anita, who would become the first Godfather. All this time, the young man that Piggeh rescued from certain death stayed with the family that Piggeh started, until he ranked to Don under Anita. After his promotion, he confessed that his intention upon joining Piggeh was to rank up and kill him to satisfy the vendetta over Striphe's death. Since Piggeh died, it was no longer necessary, and the young man served loyally and eventually died at the rank of Don while defending Anita. The Ox wipes a tear from his eye Fuck you, I wasn't crying. Anyhow, where is that kind of loyalty? Where are the loyal mobsters who will spend a lifetime growing more powerful, just to avenge the death of their fallen Boss? It's gone, and the reason for this is, with only a few exceptions, our leaders are doing nothing to inspire that kind of loyalty. If you really want to know how well you are doing as a leader, you will not know until you are dead. If, after your death, your killer has no fear of revenge from your family members, and those members happily move on to another family, chance are you were a pathetic and weak example of leadership. If your soldiers are outraged and fight until the last drop of blood is spilled, then congratulations. You did your job well. |
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Very well said as always, alas the days of Riina and Piggeh are gone. Now a days people are taking random pot shots at people just because they can. Gangsters spew dirt from their mouth thinking the are anything special. Respect? Honor? These are things of the past sadly. Only thing these jackasses care about are hollow ranks. A Consiglieres boss dies they jump onto the next bandwagon that will take them. They never earned their rank or anyones respect. The last bit of loyalty I have seen was with Iris. Since then I have yet to see a family been taken out and the members take arms and fight. Quite honestly the gene pool needs a bit of cleaning. |
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| Reply by: Birday at May 16, '09 12:16 | |
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Smiles at Ox's speech Butt- I agree and would wager a few of our Boss's have garnered that respect and loyalty. I feel I will live and die by Brick and Elegido. I go as he goes, how ever in my old age (IRL) I have calmed some regarding my outlook on our world. Perhaps reality has set in, the majority doesn't look at their lives as one with the boss's. Instead they still view themselves as an individual "player" in a world run by another. I think when you look at things in perspective as I stated before, I firmly believe ANYONE ranked high enough to be an immediate threat and or close enough to that rank to be one should be eliminated. How ever Gangster's, Goomba's and Earner even to some degree have not lived long enough under the Boss's rule to have such loyalty. I guess in a nut shell this is how I look at it, IF I were a GF or Boss and went to war personally everyone I was at war with would be killed. I may have pitty on a select few people based on low rank and others word for them. BUT I also understand and can appreciate those that want to give people a fair chance to survive with out looking at it so hardlined as you and I might. Hopes he made sense |
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| Reply by: Money-B at May 16, '09 12:35 | |
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There is only so much the leaders can do in a circumstance where his supposedly loyal subordinates are too busy concerned over self-preservation rather than sticking their heads out for their deceased bosses. Whereas the process should tend to see the higher and higher ranked only grow stronger in their loyalty, the trend you have outlined here is that they ultimately choose to jump ships, so to speak, and preserve their hard work, feigning their loyalty to another leader. It's this situation of narcissism defeating the bigger picture; if you're not ready to accept that the life of your leader is, and always will be, far more important than your own, loyalty means absolutely nothing. Surely, if anything, his Made Men owe him the privilege of a fight. I do agree that it is the duty of a leader to conjure the kind of loyalty that would see his crewmembers convinced that he was worth every last bit of blood spilled, however, I do appreciate that it is a genuinely difficult task in a situation where the instinct to cover our own asses climbs above that of our bosses on the priority list. I am privileged to be protected by the Godfather of New York, so I am unable to comment on the climate of a 50-man family, however I imagine it is a difficult task to form a bond between 50 individuals to mould them into 1 family. That's where Salvatore Riina did so well. One of my ancestors was privileged to work very closely with Mr. Riina, to die by his side at war, and I strongly believe that Mr. Riina accomplished that sense of family through the emphasis on principle. A family that lives by a common code of thought will die by that code and what Mr. Riina did was to chisel that idea of honour and loyalty gradually into the minds of all those who worked for him, day in, day out. When his family came under attack, it was an attack on their beliefs, not just the life of their crewleader, and they did what they were taught; to fight for them. |
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| Reply by: Alfieri at May 16, '09 12:52 | |
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*sitting over on the bench across from the alley* *sits and soaks in this wisdom, this courage, this knowledge* *pulls out his hanky to dry his tears, but feels ashamed after noticeing Butt-Ox apparently was throwing a finger-sign* *slides his hanky back in his jacket slowly and looks to make sure no one saw that* *stands to speak a few words* Loyalty is bred. There are breeds of loyal people spread around this thing of ours. One here, two their, a few around their, you get the point. Everyone doesn't look at things in that light. Some are more selfish, they're in this thing for what they can get out of it, not the bonds they form while they're in it. More for how far they'll make. Plus, it takes a family that sticks to together to pull off something of this magnitude. Anyhow, I agree. *sits back on the bench and calls over a whore to service Don Ox's girth for his inspiring words* |
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| Reply by: Mississippi-Floyd at May 16, '09 13:03 | |
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As much as I agree that you can tell between good and bad leaders by their death it's sad if it has to come to that to see if they're truly good or bad at leading their families. What makes them good or bad anyway? I'm listening to cattle tell me the difference between good and bad. Achilles grabs his sword and runs off. |
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| Reply by: Achilles at May 16, '09 13:07 | |
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Odd listening from the shadow a neat by building slips to the front of the gathered folks to express his views. I gotta be honest with you Butt_Ox, I try my best to find flaw in any speeches you make, just because I would expect you to do the same to me..and I know you do, I would be disappointed if you didn't. But this time I have to agree, and it pains that I usually do agree... I could have given this very same speech with the same amount of passion that you did. Although, I'm pretty sure my grammar wouldn't have been nearly as good. I remember not so long ago a man by the name of SoundWarnings having a following similar to what you are talking about. I wouldn't go so far is to say he was the greatest leader, but I'm positive he would have died for any member of his family, and did, fighting an almost certain and eventual losing battle. If I wasn't such a ghostly and evil SPIRIT I might just holler out "AMEN" and "PREACH IT PASTOR" unfortunately I'm not a religious man...only a Spiritual one. Immediately Odd disappears with only the moist outline of feet, now dissipating on the ground where he stood only moments ago. |
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| Reply by: Odd at May 16, '09 13:51 | |
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Even though I understand your points I am afraid I do have a completely different few on them. Loyalty to your fallen leader: When I came to this world I joined FrankieFigs a man my mother had know very well, a man she really liked. My mother had told me many great things about FrankieFigs and because of this I respected the man. Then one day when I was in a different state I received a telegram informing me of the the death of FrankieFigs, the telegram wasn't much detailed but it was clear that it was a well planned liqudation. Now here I was, completely uninformed about any of the exact details and with a gun that wouldn't hit and elephant stuck in an elevator. Ofcourse I could have gone to the streets and cry out my heart, would that however give me back my FrankieFigs? No it wouldn't. So what I did was... I approached Godfather Rourke who instantly took me into his family, at that moment I was unaware of the fact that the Godfather I joined was responsible for the loss of my crewleader. However, let me get into why I chose to approach Godfather Rourke in the first place. Even though you see me rarely speak out in the streets I do listen to a lot of speeches and as a little thug I was allready impressed with ThomasRourke and Marietta. I respected them for the way the presented themselves and for realising their believes, not shy to make things happen. So there I was, immensily greatfull Godfather Rourke took me in his family. Then I ran into an old friend who was very upset about me joining Godfather Rourke and that was the moment I found out who killed my beloved leader. Haha, now this was great. I joined the guy responsible for my crewleaders death, what should I do... what should I do? I decided to stick with the situation as it was, after speaking to FrankieFigs his son who did not show any hate towards my decission it was final. See the thing is.. I don't mind to die for my family, I think my mother has proved this a long long time ago, but I see absolutely no point in going on a suicide mission unless it would actually deliver a proper message. Me as a made man shooting holes in a ceiling or crying on the streets would have left a pathetic message. Now regarding the way you describe bosses and capo's: This would only make sense if that was the set up all Godfathers worked with, which is absolutely not the case. We have created a system that makes your description of the mafia allmost impossible. However I do not disagree with you on the system, I am saying it will only work if all the godfathers together would change the system. Perhaps times are changing and in this case the changes aren't for the best. But with the way the current system works this makes a lot of sense in my eyes. |
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| Reply by: Scipita at May 16, '09 15:49 | |
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| few is obviously view, my apologies. | |
| Reply by: Scipita at May 16, '09 15:49 | |
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So, your point seems to be that it is futile to try to carry on when it appears all hope is lost for defending your family, and that it is foolishly idealistic to fight for a lost cause. Perhaps. That is a logical point of view. It's just not the way I would do things. As long as there is any chance of evening the score, I will fight for my family, and there is ALWAYS a chance, however slim it may be. Would you say that someone taking your route is MORE loyal, or LESS loyal? It is no defense to say that the son of your fallen leader gave his blessing for you to stand down. No great leader would command his followers to march to death with slim hopes of succeeding, after his own death. However, the loyal followers of a great leader will not need to be told to do it. They will want to do it. |
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| Reply by: Butt_Ox at May 16, '09 16:24 | |
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Holds down a sob he feels coming up through his throat and coughs instead My grandfather served under Salvatore_Riina, his name was Bernardo_Provenzano. He told me stories, ones of admiration for Salvatore up until the day he was killed while fighting for his Boss whom he held in such high regard. He fought until the end for his Boss and took as many of Salvatore's enemies to the grave with him during a war. With that small prelude out of the way, I'd like to say that Salvatore_Riina exemplified what it meant to be a true Mafioso and it is unfair to compare all Crew Leaders to a man I believe to have been the epitome of a true leader. However, I agree that the instances in which a crew leader is truly revered by his members is becoming more uncommon everyday. Then again, one cannot only blame the leader as it takes a true Mafioso to understand loyalty to your Boss and these kinds of members are also rare these days. Unfolds a handkerchief from his pocket and wipes his eyes And with that, I'd like to say I am happy to serve under Premeir, one of the few old-school mafiosos that holds an understanding of what it is to be a Boss. Salute! |
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| Reply by: Tranquillo at May 16, '09 16:36 | |
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When all hope is lost, yes. That is exactly my point. I would say that someone taking your route is absolutely more loyal yet also perhaps very foolish. I guess a lot depends on the circumstances, surely you agree with me that as a Don the chances are a lot better to remain loyal and take revenge than as a made man wet behind the ears? I don't think it is possible to base an opinion in general terms. The blessing of his son is not a defense but one of the reasons I did not go for revenge, to be honest. We all saw Elmafie, daughter of Ire going on this mission.. Well that was a success. So my point is this, if you have a chance to make a difference, by all means yes you're indeed an smug to join another crew just for you own safety and yes it is disloyal. But if you are not vocally strong enough or physically. Find yourself a nice man in a suit and continue to grow. |
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| Reply by: Scipita at May 16, '09 17:09 | |
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"They never earned their rank or anyones respect. The last bit of loyalty I have seen was with Iris. Since then I have yet to see a family been taken out and the members take arms and fight." Actually Birday, so long as there are families to join I think people will go to them. When Iris got taken out what was even left? Back then there were 7, maybe 8 crews... And they were ALL involved in the war or dead, I think you may have forgotten to mention that if you were Made and up, there was nowhere to go and the ONLY option was to fight. I'm not saying it wasn't loyal, I'm saying that there are a lot more options available now. |
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| Reply by: ThomasRourke at May 16, '09 17:30 | |
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tibeius coughs and decides he'll remain silent no longer I've got to agree with you here Ox. It's very disappointing to see the type of individuals that get auths now. It's all about friendships, and connections, VERY RARELY does an individual get auth and become a CL that has earned it of there own merit. I believe this has A LOT to do with the problems your presenting here today. If the individual isn't willing to work as hard for that chance at becoming a CL, why promote them in the first place? tibeius takes a long drag from his cowboy killer and moves to the side allowing the next mobster to take the stand and speak his piece |
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| Reply by: Tibeius at May 17, '09 01:17 | |
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Poor Striphe *whipes a few tears from his eyes*. TM is a pretty decent fella. As a leader, never paid too much attention as Ive been quite busy lately. Overall a good read clearing a few thangs up around here. |
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| Reply by: Cav at May 17, '09 05:37 | |
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| Thomas with all due respect I believe that you are wrong. When your family head gets taken out there is no options there is just a choice. Are you loayl to your now dead boss and will fight against those who have taken them from you, or will you run and hide like a snivling coward, showing each and everyone of us that your loyalty is to none other than yourself. | |
| Reply by: Dave_Klein at May 17, '09 18:33 | |
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Shelton Take's off his fedora and begins to approach Ox! That was an incredible and if I might say so a Fucking outstanding example of how everybody in this thing of ours should feel...You, Ox are a great man when it comes to saying how you feel and making great points! |
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| Reply by: Shelton at May 18, '09 22:23 | |
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I completely agree with you Butt_Ox. My bloodline has always graced these shores, my father, grandfather, great-grandfather, great-great-grandfather etc etc, have come here in the hopes of making a great name for themselves and never, not once would they or i would have ever considered 'jumping ships' once my crewleader had died. The fact of the matter is that no matter what my boss does, his decisions reflect on me, just as my decisions and the actions I take would reflect upon his leadership. I wish I could experience the days my forefathers described, where the members of a family would fight tooth-and-nail for some kind of vengeance on the person who destroyed the family which they were a part of. V. |
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| Reply by: Vehellione at May 19, '09 13:12 | |
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