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| Wrong State of Mind? | Started by: Return_of_Ghost on Jun 06, '09 17:59 |
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You are dead, Return_of_Ghost. You were fitted for cement shoes on: Jun 06, '09 17:24 For many people in our way of life, this is how we end up. In a graveyard, with people attending our funeral telling us about how we lived our lives through their eyes. For those of us who have long bloodlines in these streets we often come to expect this ending. However, we see it equally fitting for the young man just coming into America who did not seek the protection of a crew soon enough. These people know little to nothing of our way of life. Also they may not even speak the same language as us in many cases. Where do these people fit into this thing of ours. There are some who are recruited as soon as they get off the boat into labor camps and are given menial tasks by leaders who are looking to turn a quick dollar. Others may spend the day unaware of their surroundings and decide to spend a day or two at the local hotel until they are situated. These people often walk out of their hotel and are shot on sight for not being protected. Then there are those people who do not know how to properly approach the dons of our world to get a fresh start and instead make themselves look inadequate and unsophisticated. Should our society be more responsible for these people and if so how? I tend to believe, along with many others, that the immigrants to our country should be responsible enough to read any applicable fliers and understand the world they are going to live in as best they can. Is this an error in our way of thinking though? We could point out a time in history where people were given a chance to learn the ways of the world before choosing the niche they felt was appropriate. May our respective businesses be helped by sending a few translators down to the docks to help those immigrants find a place to live? Or could we decide as a society that a couple days isn't enough time to get properly acclimated to the world we live in? The debate about what is the best way to help the new immigrants to our society has been an age-old debate almost paralleling the debates concerning respect, loyalty, and omerta itself. As we continue to see new immigrants this problem will increase as well. While we don't always consider this in our daily lives, the first experience our bloodlines had in this thing of ours usually leaves one of the most lasting impressions upon our families. Please consider this the next time you should see someone freshly off the boat with nothing but his clothes and $500. |
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You make sense, Sit Ghost. "Recruitment" as it has come to be called, is a part of our society, whether we like it or not. Whether it is good or bad, we will see in the futures of those we bring into our families. In essence, "recruiting" isn't far off from what occurs. A mob boss, or a member of his/her upper structure, is responsible for the streets given to him by his godfather. So, when he sees someone hitting up HIS postal offices, he takes notice. He sends one of his men to "have a talk" with the new guy, and see if he's worth the protection. If/when he has been found worth an invite, someone in the crew should take him in as a mentee. A problem that many have discussed is the lack of respect, loyalty, and fondness of omerta within the modern generation. However, we can only blame ourselves. We have to take the initiative to teach our young ones. This is something I hope will not pass with the tides. We can only hope those in power take notice of these words with every 'recruit' they sign into the family listings. |
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| Reply by: Prophet at Jun 06, '09 19:58 | |
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Ghost I can see where you are coming from how ever disagree with a few things. We could point out a time in history where people were given a chance to learn the ways of the world before choosing the niche they felt was appropriate. There has always been rules governing our "lack of control" for lack of a better term. People have not been allowed at will to walk around with out a sponsor deciding what THEY want to do in their own time. You have a full two days to rob our stores, bully our neighborhood's and push drugs on our mami's and children's door steps. If you haven't caught the attention of a crew or found one you wish to run with by that stage WHY should you be allowed to roam our streets with intent to rob, steal and deal ? Now on the side note I would wager EVERY new person gets at least 3 notices welcoming them to our shores and explaining the very basics they will need to live. They probably have a few letters with directions to a HQ or two as well. Make up your mind, talk to those who approach you, if not then you will be approached by a bullet END OF. In my personal non affiliated opinion we give people TOO much time all things considered, I mean you can run with a criminal organization as a Civilian... |
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| Reply by: Voltar at Jun 06, '09 20:06 | |
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Dear, there are those who start off with more than 500 dollars in their pocket. There are those who are heirs to their family's thrones. Those who are born into our world with a silver spoon in their mouths. Those who are constantly covered by bodyguards, even as civilians. And it is mostly these people who rarely have time as a civilian. I hope that every mafiosi that comes across others that are unlike those I have just described give the same respect and same dignity they do the afformentioned. |
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| Reply by: JennaBambino at Jun 06, '09 23:57 | |
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Having time to become acclimated to a new country is a separate issue from finding a family. Yes, it may take several days to become acclimated to the new world, but it does not take several days to find a family. If someone comes to America with the intentions of joining the mafia, then what are they waiting for if they don't do it quickly? It's a country of opportunity, but it does not reward those who dilly dally around. Joining the mafia is synonymous with joining a family. These new immigrants have got to know this. If they do not, they are fucking idiots and need to be kept at the bottom of the pecking order. It's as simple as that. We are more than criminals. We are organized criminals. Part of being organized involves controlling a monopoly on criminal activity within a city. Anyone who tries to weasel in on our rackets had better be prepared to pay proper tribute. This is the big problem with those who try to operate outside of a family - they want to take a bite out of the apple without giving a slice to the Boss. That's why we exterminate them. They are not playing by our rules. There are a couple of other things in your speech, Ghost, that I have to take issue with: The debate about what is the best way to help the new immigrants to our society has been an age-old debate almost paralleling the debates concerning respect, loyalty, and omerta itself. - Absolutely false. This is a relatively new phenomena. If you would have come to the streets six years ago and expressed concern for new immigrants, you would have been laughed off of your soapbox. Back then, there was no movement to protect these people. Sure, there may have been a helping hand here and there, but there was nobody trying to save your life if you were too stupid to join a family. Not only that, but you could not join a family until you were a ganster, and if you were a gangster and unsponsored, you were fair game to be killed. The Gangster had to act quickly and outsmart the stalking hitmen. "Outsmarting" is a foreign concept these days. We could point out a time in history where people were given a chance to learn the ways of the world before choosing the niche they felt was appropriate. - What time in history was this? There has never been a time in history when people were more coddled than they are right now. It just keeps getting easier and easier for them. And again, as I previously stated, learning the ways of our organization does not require being unsponsored to do so. If these new immigrants know little to nothing about the mafia, as you claim, then what were they thinking in coming here? Maybe a different life is more appropriate. Here, the lessons ought to be hard lessons. If they don't know that this is a hard world that is ruled by power and the gun, then they will certainly find out quickly if they are too dense to seek protection. I don't think you necessarily disagree with my points, or maybe you do, but there were a few things I wanted to add to your fine speech while correcting a few other minor details that you suggested. |
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| Reply by: Butt_Ox at Jun 07, '09 16:35 | |
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I guess it'll be for the best if i clarify some of the statements that I made previously that have been pointed out.
Voltar I agree with what you say but let me add something. The man who comes to the city from the middle of the wilderness may not know what society considers control. For example, "under control" in the wild is not killing every animal you see so they can reproduce for future generations of food. While being "under control" in the city may mean following that particular societies social contract. This is a drastic example but the my main point is that when you don't understand a society you're going to act "out of control" in the eyes of the people established in that society until you can understand and follow their standards. You may see this as a more instantaneous process than I do, but getting acclimated to a new situation presents a problem for all of us in many ways.
You're probably right about me being laughed off the streets with concern for unsponsored gangsters 6 years ago. I probably overstated this a bit too much obviously. I may not have the clearest of memories of the old times but the diaries of my forefathers gave me the feeling that there was a slight clamor for change regarding those new to the cities when my ancestors were new immigrants theirselves. My roots may not go quite as deep as yours do though, sir, so you probably could speak to the situation better than I.
In this case I believe I overgeneralized a situation my ancestors went through. My great great great ... great grandfather on my mothers side had in his diary that he progressed to the rank of earner before he had found a sponsor. This was probably a one-off situation, clearly, but the point I was making was that, with less divine intervention from the gods than there is now, people may have had a chance to "slip through the cracks" easier than today. This may not be completely accurate through societies eyes, I'm aware, but that was the general feeling I got when I read through my ancestors diaries. Though I do tend to agree that a father taking a swim with cement shoes because of his errors does tend to keep children from making similar mistakes. You'll need to forgive me for trying to speak out of place concerning the older times when I don't have as much personal knowledge as I would like to have had when speaking about these topics but I felt it was a topic worth bringing up so thanks for your input. |
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| Reply by: Return_of_Ghost at Jun 07, '09 18:12 | |
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