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| A Speech By Any Other Name | Started by: Pat_Butcher on Nov 09, '07 16:28 |
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Pat trundles into the streets, her oversized derriere swaying rhythmically as she walks. She mutters something about varicose veins giving her gip, before launching into her first street speech, and though many would bemoan otherwise, not her last. "A long time ago, my great aunt's grandmother's next door neighbour's neice (add on as you will) used to pride herself on the art of speaking in the streets. Not a day went past without her commenting on an issue at hand or joining in on the many heated debates that we see here even today. She was an enthusiastic woman - always ready to chuck in her 2 bits whenever she saw the opportunity - some called her gobby, and well they would be right. But as her blood line became more and more diluted (and fat), the enthusiasm for speaking in the Streets was lost too. Even so, occasionally an odd relative of mine would feel the urge to come out here, and it's this same urge is what's brought me here today to discuss whether Speaking in the Streets is actually an Art, or whether it's completely overrated. Most of the conversations I overhear on the way to the chippy for my breakfast, are mostly to do with the happenings of our world. And though I may hear someone speak eloquently, brilliantly in some cases, the crowd that gathers to listen usually is quite small, rarely more than ten people at a time. Is this because of the lack of quality of the speeches we have in these parts? I have heard with my own ears and know that this certainly isn't the case. Or perhaps alternatively, and bear with me a moment, it is the lack of quality of the listener. More often than not, I tend to hear a majority of people banging on about how Crewleader such and such doesn't speak enough or how people who are silent in the streets shouldn't get auth. But what about the listeners? Are we so jaded that even the most charismatic of speaker's words fall on deaf ears. I sometimes honestly think so. And so if no one is there to listen, the Art of Speaking in the Streets seemingly becomes redundant. In short, what is the point if the only people listening are such a small majority of our population? |
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Not speaking because nobody listens would only perpetuate the silence. Also, those who don't pay attention to what happens in the streets are insignificant, and personally, I don't let my actions be determined by those who are insignificant. Let's pose the question to ourselves: Why are things the way you say they are (assuming your proposal is accurate)? Surely people are communicating somewhere, right? If they weren't, we would all be living in isolation and nothing would get done. So, given this obvious implication, people are usually alternative methods of communicating rather than speaking in public. Alot of it takes place in that blight on society, the coffee shops. Much of it takes place in private mails. About all that can be done about this is for others to recognize the harm to our streets that is caused by their over-reliance on these other means of communication. Use the streets for what they are for! Meeting and communicating with others in these cities. |
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| Reply by: maxwell at Nov 09, '07 16:40 | |
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Yes this is it, people only want to come out here when they feel need to publicize something. Otherwise they communicate with people they really think matters. I, for one, would love to see a big conversation out here about something that someone else has to share, were used to just asking questions and seeing what way others will answer it. Like i see forty odd people at the minute walking about and how many of them are actually going to take the time to come out and listen to what you have to say? How many of them are going to come out and answer? I'll say five if your lucky, maybe another 3 or 4 will come back later and reply to your poster. It's about time people got their fingers out. |
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| Reply by: PeterPetrelli at Nov 09, '07 16:52 | |
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By no means do I think we should stop talking in the Streets. But I do think that people should at least think about their own contributions to the streets, how much they perpetuate activity here before any fingers are pointed at leaders. And speaking of fingers, trying to get people to pull them out of their "asses" and get to speaking in the streets is not an easy task. However, and I hope some are listening here, I think if the leaders made an example and encouraged Street Speaking more often, then we might see a change - how they would do this is up to them, but competitions or some sort of drive for street improvement would be a start. But it's not all down to the leaders. Change can start from below, as well as above. |
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| Reply by: Pat_Butcher at Nov 09, '07 16:58 | |
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I'd argue that it's neither the coffee shops nor a reliance on mail that takes away from the activity here in the streets. Maxwell, you state that people (with the implication of crew leaders) must be speaking somewhere or we would be living in a stagnant world and "nothing would get done." The types of conversations that occur through mail or in the coffee shops between family heads are not the types of conversations that should be had in public, as your bloodline very well knows. As for those not in positions of power, I'd also argue that the kinds of conversations had through mail or in the coffee shops are also those that shouldn't be had here. They're often not relevant to this world, and if they are, I'd personally like not to see an entire conversation about who broke whom out of jail. Pat, I have often thought to myself (or complained in private) that some of the more brilliant conversations are overlooked in favor of drivel. I think you'll find, though, that it is those that partake in these conversations come from bloodlines that continually rise to the top in this world. For that reason, I hope that people aren't discouraged by the lack of response to a single speech and continue to start discussions. |
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| Reply by: JohnnyAxe at Nov 09, '07 17:01 | |
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I was about to reply when i seen you say this "I think if the leaders made an example and encouraged Street Speaking more often, then we might see a change" Then you counteracted yourself again but i don't think its up to the leaders to change the streets, yes i say some new reactions would come out for a 'little wile' if we were to see the leaders speak more often, doubt it would last... If everyone else around us participated in street activity, I think the leaders would have many more reasons to come out to the streets and talk. They would actually have stuff to say but they have to make do with what we have now, and what we have now is very petty, theres nothing to go on, no sunlight. |
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| Reply by: PeterPetrelli at Nov 09, '07 17:05 | |
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I was not speaking specifically of any family Bosses. I said "people" to be inclusive of everyone. I also never mentioned stagnancy. I said we would be living in isolation if there was no communication. There has to be communication, and there is no reason why a large part of it can't take place in the streets. Of course, business is not meant to be done in the public eye, but much of what occurs in mail or the coffee shops could just as easily take place out on a street corner, and I'm talking about conversations, not notices of jailbreaking. It's laziness that prevents that from happening. |
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| Reply by: maxwell at Nov 09, '07 17:08 | |
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I didn't contradict myself completely, what I meant was that the leaders could contribute towards improving the situation. However it's not entirely down to them. We do also have to look at ourselves to make a difference. Sorry to be pedantic, but I usually am. |
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| Reply by: Pat_Butcher at Nov 09, '07 17:09 | |
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What is there to be said that hasn't been said already? Nada. The problem is, we immediately point fingers at those that attempt to share their opinions in the streets, by insulting them and telling them how unimaginative and redundant their thoughts are. The result: nobody speaks for fear of ridicule. Sure, some topics are beaten to death, over and over and over...but so what? We have new folks arriving to our shores daily, and if we'd A) understand that, because they are new, they may have never heard of some of the topics already spoken on, and B) try to encourage our new immigrants, then perhaps we'd have a community that could grow, rather than grow tired of doing petty after petty and leave. |
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| Reply by: VonGaunt at Nov 09, '07 17:22 | |
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I agree with VonGuant. While I haven't tried to create a topic in the streets yet, my topics in other areas have come under fire by both morons who won't read whole posts or refuse to comprehend them and close-minded elites who want nothing more than to shut my trap and deny change. That being the case, I have tried to fight for what I believe in but at a certain point one becomes discouraged to continue simply because it's no longer worth the effort. I can personally speak from experience that I won't start a new topic in the Streets any time soon as I don't look forward to dealing with those same people again. No offense is meant to anyone (except the morons who don't read) but I have grown tired of fighting to stay afloat when I know the end result is the same, I'm gunna drown eventually. On a slightly unrelated note... the slowness of response by some people, and the quality of rps I've seen (The Deal is of fair quality but extremely slow) have discouraged me from partaking. I don't like to be slowed down by commitments to wait for other posters. For the same reasons, I'm reluctant to start my own rp... That's all I have to say on the matter for now. |
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| Reply by: Luke_the_Reaper at Nov 09, '07 17:53 | |
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| I say burn the coffee shops. :) | |
| Reply by: Sal_Giaquinto at Nov 09, '07 17:58 | |
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