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The Take Down of Scandia Started by: Oliver_McTavish on Nov 18, '07 18:00
Yes, but several of them were inactive for several days PRIOR to the attack. (OOC: And have since signed in to update their active status)
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First of all i would like to say, that although Oliver didn't have to explain his reasons, I do enjoy knowing why. I find myself asking a lot of questions after the fact...feeling way out of the loop. I am out of the loop, but at least now I feel informed.



Just like with any leader being taken out, there are plenty of people upset, and they are entitled to be that way, however, what I don't understand is why people feel the need, other then an attempt to make the killing Cl look bad to the rest of the community, to bring up things that might have changed something thats already over?


Whats done is done, get over it and move on.



Of course, maybe that is the way to try and retaliate in a timely manner, making someone out to look bad. It has worked in the past, I'm sure.


To be honest, regardless of who I am (the killed or the observer) I think I would be just fine with an explanation of "I felt threatened by them"


thats good enough for me, if I am the killed family my thought process would be "Damn right you were threatened by me...I am a badass"


Of course there are all those "shoulda, woulda, coulda's" that mean nothing right now. So my advice to you that are bitter, take a pill...chill the fuck out...and move on.


Thats all.


Love everyones favorite Public Relations Rep
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Im so happy by all of this. Really I am.
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You'd better enjoy it while it lasts, Job


The Lord has a way of takething away...


But you already knew that
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"I have only one question to this entire incident, at anytime you "warred" Scandia, was he online?

Reply by: ThePiano at Nov 18, '07 21:40"


I'm sorry, should he be online then? I fail to see why Oliver should have waited for him to come online until we attacked him right? Hmmmm. Then we could have properly warred him and sustained losses.


Interesting proposition.
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Why do I ever read these things expecting some honesty?


Why?


You'd think I'd have fucking learned by now!
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*After listening to bunch of sides Guardian stands up to make a small speach*


Well firstly i would like to thank Oliver_Mctavish for he didn't really have to approach the world for his reasons as to why we had war with Scandia But he has enough respect for the people of these streets so he did just that.I support my Leader in every decision made.He's respectful,Reasonable and doesn't act without being sure about something.I don't think its right that Scandia's members had to approach are family for such things and to be Honest,Now that i think about it i was approached aswell for some money and about some information about how to train there gun.Being the nice person that i am i loaned the guy the money and he paid it back.But when your being lead by someone you shouldn't fear to ask them for anything.He's your leader you should feel safe to ask him for anything you need or want.


Well all i can say is i hope that others learn from this Mistake and hopefully move forward into being a stronger crew Leader one day.


R.I.P Scandia,

For all that has fallen may you rest in peace aswell.


Thanks Ollie :D
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PR I realize that it cannot be changed. I only argue for the sake of future generations.
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".But when your being lead by someone you shouldn't fear to ask them for anything.He's your leader you should feel safe to ask him for anything you need or want."


Heaven forbid a mafia boss should be a little feared within the ranks of his own family...


No, let's all hold hands and coddle people instead, that's a far better solution. My bad.
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points


You FatBastard.
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Quite. You know how I got this fat? Coddling. No discipline. I was allowed all the cookies I wanted as a youth, and now I am a truly fat man.


The bastard thing is a whole other story.
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Jarvis Hands the Fat Bastard a cookie


There you go piggy.
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Tight fisted bugger.

Hands FB the rest of the packet
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Admires Fat Bastard's two handed scoffing motion as he ploughs the box of cookies into his mouth


That's a good motion you got there skipper!
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As Oliver is a close friend, I'm hardly going to say a bad word against him. He saw reason to kill Scandia and took the opportunity. Just like any respected CrewLeader would do.



But the murders of people Earners and below was dreadful. Like POD said, they had no effect on the outcome. Now I know some of Olivers crew were stating that they were given orders not to shoot at the lower ranks. But the point is it happend, now you can't tell me that all of those kills were achieved by one person, or there were entirely not of Olivers family?


Have these people been caught? Been made an example of? Or have certain people turned a blind eye to it?
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Jay steps forward, after listening to Oliver's speech, and the remarks that followed, he thought it right to say something


"I have only spoken to Scandia one or two time myself, and all in all he did not seem like a bad person. But I support Oliver fully, him being my former boss, and the person who authed me to set up beside him, I owe this all to him. And decision he makes, I will back. If he says Scandia needed taking out, Scandia needed taking out. Enough said."

Jay steps down, and listens to any other vies
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Always nice to hear a crew leader with such independant thoughts.


So you're basically admitting to being a puppet then, Jay? Dissapointing.
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"No, I am saying that I support Oliver fully. If I make me own decisions, I would hope he supports me fully too. That's how alliances work, you work together, and support each other's views and decisions. The thing is, it's alright for you to speak like that, Your not a Crewleader, when and if you get here, then you can criticize me."
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Walks up as if he is going to examine someone


Theres an old Proctologist saying I'd like to share with you all.


"Once an asshole gets filled with shit, you better remove it."
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So Jay,what you are saying is our opinions don't count unless we are

a leader? If that is true,then there was no need to come to the streets and explain

to us the who,what and why of what had transpired leading up to the events.


My Opinion...
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