I think that it is ridiculous. I see People who are thugs, less than 1 hour old, and they are right or left hand men. It makes no sense.

Maybe there should be a rule like you must be made or higher to be a left-hand.

What do you think?

Thank you. I been wanna post soemthin like this but afriad people are gonna be piss but o well. I think Left hand man can be anyone, but the RHM should be for Made or higher. I'm just sayin that. So don't get pissed at me for sayin my opioin.

P.S: I can't spell really good. So sorry. :P

Shakes his head.

I think you havent put much time or thought into this speech.

You haven't bothered telling me why it is wrong for there to be low ranked RHM and LHM its about how trusted the people are right? not what rank they might be at.

Lights his cigar

Left hand men are still important. Right hand men just have different purposes.

Sweeney if you really wanted to make a simillar announcements in the streets you should pay attention to what is said before doing any announcements as a similar debate held place in the streets not to long while ago, to be accurate 3 days ago.

Someone so inexperienced put in charge of all of these high-rankers. An entire mob? Next thing you know you will see people as dons before their accounts are even made!

I'm sorry you still haven't replyed to me... you havent given a reason why they cant be a RH or a LH. You just came out here and gave a pointless speech not explaining anything.

First of all, Pops just started a lengthy discussion on this not more than a few days ago. Do we really need to rehash it already?

Secondly, one thing that seems to escape you is that RHM and LHM are not ranks. They are appointed positions. The RHM of a Boss might not even be a family member in the real world. It might be a judge or a mayor, or someone else with connections. If you interpret "RHM" as "Underboss", then you might have an argument, but then what the hell is a LHM? An Under-underboss? That would be getting far fetched.

A better way to interpret it is as an advisor, much like a consigliere. In that scenario, the RHM or LHM can be anyone. Since the positions are appointed and not earned through rank, this is a much better argument than the "Underboss" argument.

O wait me. I thought you were talkin to mnirem my bad. I h ave nothin to say now you made an excenlent point. And Silvio I don't read the anncoument page thanks though.

They have no experience. They don't know what to do. They need to learn how to play this game before they are put in charge.

They are to help others. They are supposed to be advisors. How are they supposed to advise what they don't know?

Im sorry what 'game do you speak of?. And if they are appointed RHM they KNOW! a lot and are of value to the family.

Hello Mnirem. I mean no direspect when I say this, however it appears as if you have very little understanding on how to make a proper speech. My second comment would be that this topic has been recently discussed by Pops. The link to his speech is here: http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/72023

Thank you for  your time.

how do you tell they don't know if you don't even know them, they may have a lot of connection to get this position in a family's structure, they may have read their parent's diaries and notes which could make them better for the Job than 3 months old Consgliere.
{S}ilvio

What game are you talking about, Ross?

If you are going to go OOC with this, then you can't say they don't have experience no matter what rank they are. I guarantee you, my RHM, in an OOC sense, has more experience than almost anyone around here. If you want to stay in character, then you might have a point, but I could still make an argument that rank does not equal experience. Don't you think some mobsters(ie. non-Italians) go their entire lives without becoming Made? That's a hell of alot of experience, without the rank.

May I remind you, most of us aren't full Italians. Even many made. In OOC, yes.

Furthermore, Ross? Will you ever get bored with that?

mnirem

RHMs and LHMs are appointed by their CL's because they have learned from their parents all the skills needed to be a good RHM or LHM. A thug who's a RHM is a high rank.

It means that a Don trusts in that person enough to help them in all their family affairs.

It's a high rank, even if they are a thug. They deserve respect, regardless of their rank.

since the thread turned to be an OOC thread, then none of us is Italian, but the fact was in the 1930's only Italians get in a family, i.e get the honorable rank of Made Man, but however` we don't give the rank to those who are Italian only in this game. I think that's what Godfather OX was` trying to say. Anyway that's not your main topic so back to our main topic whether you were talking IC or not a POSITION (not rank) of RH or LH is up to the leader to give to whomever he thinks will serve his family first in future reference whether he was an hour old or a year old. OOC these people had former bloodlines in this place so they gained more experience than you seem to have.

Seeing as this topic has gone OOC, I can express how much of a stupid idea I think this is. You are telling me that you have to become Made to become trusted? Oh okay, here's me thinking it would be based upon the person behind the character name, not the rank they have a few lines down.

So what happens if a dear friend to a newly elected crew leader signs up? Someone the crewleader would trust with their life? Is the crewleader to turn around and say "Sorry, I know and trust you the most, but you will have to spend the best part of the next two weeks on mafiareturns to be able to become RHM. In the meantime, I will hand it to someone I have not known or trust half as much as you"? Why YES! That makes perfect sense to me!

Perhaps you should think topic ideas through more thoroughly in the future?

Rank is no indicator of a level of trust - case in point, the Gotti family in new York