Mr Dragon approaches the crowd, flanked by his few "Dagenham" relatives.

Today I want to touch on the subject of family Name. A few of today's mafioso have the priviledge of siblings and relatives come over to thing thing of ours. We share names, but does that make us a "Group"?

When you refer to group, you automatically think something you are either in or not. That's isnt how "Dagenham" is, We are each individuals and express different views on matters. We do not always agree and each of our own actions or words should be taken as that, Our own.

Mine and Ter's bloodlines are very closely tied, and our closer family tie has been around for many more generations. We have had very variable aliases and some of those were very different, or very linked, Via similar or connected Names. We have always been treated the same, each of our actions are our own, Should one of us break a rule, it does not mean the other shall. Nor if we make a speech in the streets, we do not automatically agree. Sometimes we do not even follow in the same organisation.

Do not get me wrong it does not mean we will not support eachother in whichever manner we see fit, should an argument arise between another Dagenham and in any street speaker and I agree with my fellow "Dagenham", I will voice it.

I'm sure not EVERY Rourke has been listed under the same catagory for actions or opinions?

I am merely giving this speech to clear a few things up, we cannot control every false "Dagenham" either, who are we to decide on whom comes to these shores?

Please feel free to share a few words if you have anything to say about this subject. Im quite intruiged as to how this speech will be percived.

Dragon quietly waits for replies.

In my personal opinion, if he carries the name and he happens to work closely to the rest of the people of said name, I'll tend to think they they will act similarly too. Unless proven otherwise, of course.

You cannot stop people from "claiming" the name, but usually those people just remain wondering the streets without getting in a crew since we all see he's a phony so they're not an issue to worry about.

Sounds like a family to me.  And like most families, there will be the ones you disown and disassociate yourself with, but in the end same name same family.

Maybe the Dagenham's should have family meetings and decide if they should spare or kill the intruders.  Now that sounds interesting.

Lights a joint and continues to think of ways to think, which Marley thinks is just a waste of good thought.

Looks at the joint, shakes his head, and coughs

I figured i would voice my opinion since I am the eldest of the Dagenham's, and i don't have that stupid underscore in my name.

I would however consider us a pretty tight family, Mine, Ter's and Dragons Families have always been close, and Dagenham_Malkav sure as hell doesn't speak for any of us as she is just bat shit crazy. Of course we are not all in the same... we are not clones nor are we mind readers .... thinking one speaks for all is stupid. There will always be members of the family you disassociate with like our retarded cousin Dagenham_Eh.

I do support the idea of a meeting to kill intruders, good suggestion.

But sir, if I may, with all due respect, you are not really disassociating with Eh if he is working in Los Angeles in a crew with other Dagenhams.

I do interpret from your words that you definitely not condone some of his behavior which is a relief coming from the eldest Dagenham.

I guess i use the word disassociate more on a personal level, sorry for the mix up. As long as he works hard and is loyal to his boss he can work with whom ever fits his fancy i suppose. As for his prior behavior no i don't agree with it but i have been informed that a few other Dagenham's have taken him under their wing and will hopefully set him straight.

Yes Animal, killing is always good in our profession.  That's why we try to find different ways to make it justified!

winks and heads on over to the next street

Well I can't talk for nobody else over here, but I'll tell yous one thing right now.

My son Jim, he's a good kid. A little mixed up but the boy's got a heart of gold. Glad he takes after me and not his Uncles Levvy and Steiner!

Yes, I am hilarious. No, not really.

I think you will find Tallien that every Dagenham has his or her own opinion and acts independently anyway.

If you were to mail Myself ot Dagenham_Ter, you would be speaking to 2 very different individuals, even if there is a link in quotations or name. This thread was actually made to clear up a few different things that have come to our attention.

"look the same and talk the same"

We have very individual names also, alas we share Part of the same name. Not the entire thing. We should be treated as individually as any other Rourke no?

And alas Tallien, everyone can have annoying bad habits.

"you all have quotes that run like:

Yes, I am hilarious. No, not really."

Grin.

I've seen little individuality from you comparative to things like this:

Anything that this New "Dagenham" posts or debates has no reflect on any of the other "Dagenham"'s. His views are his own.
Reply by: Dagenham_Dragon at Oct 25, '09 15:00

Here one Dagenham clearly speaks on behalf of all the others, except the new one who isn't wanted by the remainder. You didn't say "anything any Dagenham posts doesn't reflect on me" instead you spoke for all other Dagenham's. Even in your response here, you've said "things that have come to our attention" rather than "things that have come to my attention" how independent is that?

I don't really know what else I can say on this that I haven't already said. If you don't want to be linked together, don't link yourselves together. If you link yourselves together, you'll be linked together. It is that simple.

I'd personally have picked ~T~ as my annoying habit 25 minutes after I originally replied. But Grin is fine also.

Grin.

~T~

Unfortunately, it's a curse of the name. Anyone bearing a Rourke name is routinely lumped together in a number of Street speeches; I would be happy to look these up and provide you with direct access to them if you wish.

If you would like to differentiate yourself from the rest of your brood it's fairly easy. Do something different.

The difficult part in distinguishing the "Dagenham" name thus far is that most of you work directly for Sherlock, ALL of you work directly for Los Angeles, and your tattooed quotes (as Tallien mentioned previously before) are all fairly similar with a cheeky yes/no no/yes yes/yes structure. Obviously I have nothing against Los Angeles, but wouldn't a few of you working in different cities help avoid the thought that the Dagenhams are a package deal?

I am merely giving this speech to clear a few things up, we cannot control every false "Dagenham" either, who are we to decide on whom comes to these shores?

It is impossible to prevent people from coming to the shores with the same last name. If this were able to be controlled, SirSammy would have never been born with a Rourke name.

I actually agree with you Rourke.

It is a pity that each Dagenham has chosen the same path across America and joined LA. I understand how we could be seen as a package deal, hence this speech will clear that up. Once again though it comes down to 'Personal Preference', We do not TELL our Dagenham relatives to work for LA, they simply choose as Individuals.

Indeed,,same name or should i say last name cannot affect you as an individual it is the action and words that will affect you in this thing of our..however having a same family name and same city (quite coincidence) can considered you as a group because people will always says "yeah they choose same cities!"

this itsy bitsy "problem" has also an itsy bitsy solution..simple talk to the streets if you dont agree with other dagenhams in that way people can exclude you..

-Puck-