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The war in New Orleans Started by: Gaius on Nov 08, '09 16:21

"You might die, you might get away and join a new Crew. That's up to you."

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Boaby wanders through the streets. They're awash with blood. Needless blood. He looks cheerless.

I have nothing to say on this except the following. It's lies. Tallien spoke upfront with Godfather Premier about the issues LA had had with New Orleans. The option was there. We can level it and start from scratch, or we can try and work through this with the existing people. We preferred the latter but would go with his preference. He chose the latter. There would be no more chances for the existing people, they were on a last warning with LA, but more importantly they were on a last warning with Tallien. The existing NO families were relieved of their debts and these would all be repaid in time by the Godfather.

Do the lies matter? No not really. This is the mafia, we all lie along the way somewhere in order to manipulate, manoeuvre or get ahead. The bottom line is that Tallien was an emerging threat in the eyes of these cities and he was removed before he could grow and finish the work he'd begun. 

That's the bottom line, but it's a bottom line that saddens me. I think even in the two days, Tallien had shown he meant business and was taking the city by the scruff of the neck. He will be sorely missed. Unfortunately for his enemies, Tallien also had friends in this business. It may not mean much to them, but they all deserve individual thanks and I offer it.

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Well, well, well.

I thought I would let the pieces slide into place, as they inevitably would after I first heard this pack of lies, before I took to tearing it pieces.

To say this reasoning is anything less than laughable would make a mockery of the butchering that just took place as a result of it. I'll start from the beginning as clearly Gaius' complete lack of self control contributed to his swift destruction.

Gaius emerged from the New Orleans battle torn and in high spirits. Once again, he had been taught a valuable lesson by his Godfather. He started to count up in his head the number of lessons he continued to learn on a daily basis, then stopped. 'Too many,' he thought with a chuckle. He looked towards his mass of bodyguards and motioned to one to get him a soap box for him to stand on so that he could explain the situation to everyone at large.



The arrogance displayed here, epitomises the entire LA/Chi/NO GF attitude. They believed they could do as they pleased due to a copious amount of bodyguards and a naive approach to MafiaReturns. Unfortunately for Gaius, the main lesson he seemed to learn from his Godfather was self-deception. They bought into their own hype and after a long time of shouting the loudest, claiming to be brilliant and invincible, they began to believe it. No leader worth their salt believes they are beyond accountability; unfortunately Gaius and Co. struggled to grasp this basic tenant of MafiaReturns life and look how they ended up.

For quite sometime, the New Orleans leadership has deteriorated. After taking pot shot after pot shot at LA, enough is enough. Time and time again, shots were fired on my Godfather directly, his Right Hand Man and other high ranking members in the upper structure in LA. Most of you have no idea nor can you begin to understand the level of patience and self control that Godfather Premier and especially myself have shown over these last few months with New Orleans.



If you had made this speech before Friday, It would have had some merit. New Orleans was a sinking ship, with various problems that needed addressing. Lastik was thrown to the wolves with little or no support from his previous Godfather, giving him little to no chance of resolving the problems alone. I'm sure excuse after excuse did follow for awhile and that probably did exacerbate the problems. I would ask you to count how many of these incidents fell on Tallien's watch? I'll give you a clue, start at 0 and work backwards. From the minute Tallien stepped forward to offer his support and backing to the New Orleans families they had no issues with Los Angeles or Chicago. Fact.

Tallien met with Premier prior to taking New Orleans and he asked Premier about the problems his future city would face, because he was diligent and wanted to do his best to preserve the livelihood of those crews who would serve him. At no time was the matter of a $40,000,000 debt mentioned. Despite Tallien asking the then Godfather to fill him in on any problems between LA and NO, this apparently life changing matter was not discussed, never even a word breathed about it.

For the entire 3 days that Tallien was given to get a handle on the city and turn it around, neither Gaius, who was clearly so bothered as demonstrated by this bollocks, or Godfather Premier, hell, or any person in the NO hierarchy, mentioned a debt to Los Angeles. As multiple people can verify, Godfathers and Godmothers amongst them, any debt that New Orleans owed, Tallien was ready, willing and prepared to take on and address. Not to even mention a private debt that was apparently owed to Los Angeles underlines the hollow reasoning put forth as justification for this fuck up from the power structure of that city and their lackeys in Chicago.

Regarding a complete regime change, I am again astounded by the depths of your stupidity. Tallien had been Godfather in the city for less than 3 days, in that time, he took over the mantle of Godfather for 4 crews he had little to no dealings with, completely reorganized how the crews would invite, re-structured the hierarchy, shot one captain and replaced another with having him step down. You would have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to realise what would be so clear to a child of 5 - this WAS a complete regime change.

For a long time Tallien had sat back and watched as lives became worthless and Godfathers launched cities into mass destruction of others on a whim. That is not good for business and Tallien wanted to prevent that cycle repeating, but unfortunately some people are just too one pace to deal with change. That is a word I've seen bandied about a lot around here lately and I wish those who used it had actually changed as well, then maybe we wouldn't have had to come to this.

There has yet to be any action taken for any of the bullshit that has been happening out of New Orleans and so for that reason, we have chosen to take action ourselves.



Engage brain. One captain dead, one stepping down, complete overhaul of recruitment, analysis of existing members, implementation of structure and order. 3 days. Tallien did more with that city in three days than you did with Los Angeles in however long your worthless arrogance was tolerated for. The hollowness of this is such that the whole reasoning has practically collapsed in on itself.

We will no longer sit by and watch as these idiots get away with their complete disrespect and lack of order.



Funny, must have missed those idiots getting away with their complete disrespect and lack of order when Tallien was shooting those who did it on his watch and asked for information on those who did it before. Premier told Tallien "I am willing to give them a clean slate", clearly his word on that was worthless. Order was being restored, how much, if any, applies to the last 3 days?

To top it all off, this morning Tallien banned a Right Hand of Detroit, which makes us wonder the type of leadership that has taken over in New Orleans, to ban someone over a non issue?



I'd like to highlight your stupidity once again. Your whole argument is about disrespect to a Godfather. Just in case you've forgotten that as it was a few lines before and I'm seriously worrying about your capacity for coherent thought as it is:

We will no longer sit by and watch as these idiots get away with their complete disrespect and lack of order.



Complete disrespect from a Wise Guy RHM, first in his initial comments and then his subsequent discussion with Tallien. This is what you've taken issue with? The guy was lucky to still be breathing and should consider himself lucky to have only received a ban for his idiocy. I would also point out that it is not LA's responsibility to police Detroit, the matter was mailed to Don Kates and she is more than capable of dealing with her own issues.

If thats the kind of leadership we can expect out of NO, action is the only thing to do, no longer can we stand aside and allow constant fuckups, it hurts our business interests, our relationships, the rising up of new people.



Again, laughable reasoning, I've seen more coherent arguments between chimps in the zoo. "We won't tolerate disrespect. Neither will Tallien. WHAT?!?!?!?!? HE IS DOING THE SAME AS WE WANT?!?! HOW CAN WE STAND FOR THIS?!?!"

Your business interests? You don't have any. I struggle to recall a worthwhile moment or business venture conjured throughout your meaningless existence. Maybe another LA pickpocket contest? Something highly original like that would be great.

Your relationships? Godfather Sherlock ignored a mail from Godmother Aurora asking for his opinion on Tallien moving to New Orleans and then another from Tallien asking for his thoughts and any issue he may have had with New Orleans that Tallien could help resolve. That is complete disrespect to two cities and yet another obvious demonstration of the total lack of a worthwhile attempt being made by this triumvirate to formulate a relationship with Tallien or with New Orleans.

The rising up of new people? God I'm struggling to believe you had a straight face when you made this speech. Did you honestly expect this bullshit to stick? Lastik was a new person, you butchered him. GiovanniBovine is a new face; you tried and failed to eliminate him. Which new people were you talking about? Those mythical ones that would have helped this justification carry some weight. Sorry chief none had been stifled or discouraged. Tallien was more than prepared to work with the new faces in New Orleans, he actively defended them.

We are entitled to defend ourselves against everything that has been happening. This constant disrespect for Godfathers and Right Hands is over. It is no longer acceptable and will no longer be tolerated.



Defend yourselves from what? The issues that you had agreed to put behind you or the new issues that hadn't happened? Constant disrespect for Godfathers - like JackMacLeod's to Tallien? Like Sherlock's to Tallien & Aurora? Like various Dagenham_Idiots (other than Animal) to Tallien? I'm surprised you survived for as long as you did without choking to death on your own hypocrisy.

Godfather Premier has been more than lienant in all of these situations.



Godfather Premier was offered the opportunity to work with the existing New Orleans setup or for Tallien to completely remove them and start over. He chose to superficially work with Tallien under the guise of working with the eixsting crews. It was not like Tallien issued him with ultimatums, he proposed alternatives and was amenable to any and all of the Godfather's suggestions and concerns. Premier didn't have to show lenience, he had to show he wasn't totally full of shit and his word was less than worthless. He has proven to be incapable of that.

You would think, after all the chances he had given for these situations to be rectified, even a new leadership in the city, that things would have been worked out and Los Angeles would have been compensated for their patience and dignified handlings. But no, we have been shit on time and time again.



What chance was the leadership in the city offered after Tallien took over? The one that Premier claimed to offer? No. Not even that much. Los Angeles would have been compensated had they been owed anything or made Tallien aware of any debt that was due. How could they repay a debt that they didn't know about? One simple mail like Tallien agreed that Premier would send if he or his city had any issues with New Orleans was all this would have taken. But no, they didn't do that, they instead tried to flex their muscles and their massively inflated egos caused them to epically overrate their own standing within the cities. That, as the obituaries listing every worthy from Los Angeles, Chicago or 'Godfather' Gaius's assistants illustrates, was clearly 100% idiocy.

There is a time and a place for the Billy Big Balls routine - this was not it. When a Godfather approaches you offering you an alternative that is good for business, good for MafiaReturns and you spit in his face, you best hope that you're dealing with a nobody. You, however, spat in the face of someone of influence with powerful friends. How did that go for you? Still wish you had acted like a big shot with a shit eating grin on your face now that your city, your friends, your entire organization and structure has been obliterated? I thought not.

The amateurism displayed here just highlights the class gulf between some individuals and organizations. New York, Philly & Las Vegas butchered you when you knew they were coming and had hidden behind protection shots. You couldn't even finish off the city you started the fight with, when they believed you all to be honourable men, whose word held weight and whose professionalism and reputation had been earned on merit, rather than built on lies.

And it is over.



Probably the only worthwhile thing you said in that whole speech. You didn't understand the full implication of this sentence then, but I hope you do now. It was always over for you, for Los Angeles, for Chicago and anyone else who decided to support you. Your complete miss-read of the situation led you down a path that only ended in oblivion. Most people recognise the danger even when it is too late, you foolishly skipped along hand in hand with Premier and Sherlock. I hope you enjoyed it.

To imagine that the Godfathers and Godmothers of our cities (other than Rourke who as usual did nothing) would stand for this was beyond naive, it was up there in the top ten worst mistakes in Mafia history. The fact you didn't even polish off the city you targeted before making this announcement just further highlights your supreme arrogance. The fact that MissFreedom and GiovanniBovine are still breathing after it only highlights your incompetence.

Tallien wanted to restore New Orleans and turn it into a gleaming example of how a city should be run. This was recognised by Godmother Aurora, Godmother ScipitaRourke and Godfather Deimne. I hope these bosses understand the respect they have earned themselves and I know Tallien would have been extremely grateful and honoured by their response to his slaying.

Grin out.

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Hmmm, the New Orleans debts.....

57 million to Godfather Diemne

10 million to Godmother Scipitarourke

& now 40 million to LA ?

WOW, that's a shitload of cash !!!

The problems in New Orleans started when Death-Knight appointed Antonio-Lopez as his RHM, who was a known rogue, namely Clipper.

DK wouldn't hear a bad word about him, the sun shone out his ass as he bullied 99% of the city population.

Clipper threatened to shoot anyone that wouldn't do what he demanded, even though he was blatantly wrong.

Death-Knight did nothing to sort this problem, even though his captains continually complained & asked for clipper to be removed.

So, if you're looking for someone to blame for the demise of New Orleans, then look no further than Death-Knight, due to the fact that if he had actually listened to his captains in the first place, none of the problems would have occurred & the city would've remained a lovely place as it was when we first moved there.

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Well but Grin

Godmother Aurora, Godmother ScipitaRourke and Godfather Deimne now i know the value of your word and want to thank you all for what you did in this war. I know that i am just a nobody and i am very unexperianced but still i would like you all to know that i will respect you all untill the end off my life for this

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I think it is not good to blame one person only, it is also to blame all who was in this situation, if your in a family act as a family, no underlings has notice what is the real problem of the city, if the problem is this big all of us in the city could help to finish any problem what others had started money is just money it is a disguise of rich and power but where is what we called real family, a family should act as one, a problem of one is a problem of all, and there will be no big problem if only the leaders have thought that we are one big family that can help to change the situation.

_Chr1st1aN_ walk off after hearing where the real problem had started.

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Very well spoken, Grin.

It is nice to hear the "other side" of the story, so people actually get a full view of what truly happened in this situation.

This play on New Orleans couldn't have been more predictable, in my humble opinion. Why you may ask? Well, quite simply because the same shennanigans occurred a little over a month ago with the take down of Chicago.

"Godfather Premier has been more than patient and showed great restraint"  Check!

"LA is sick of people taking pot shots at them" Check!

"New Orleans owes LA a debt" Check!

"The same old things have been said in regard to handling the situation, but nothing has changed" Check!

"We're taking matters into our own hands, because it is the only option at this point" Check!

Newsflash gentlemen, you did this all before! Everyone knew what you were doing, and this tired "dog and pony show" wasn't going to fool a collection of bright and hardworking Godfathers and Godmothers again.

I applaud the current leadership for taking action, and very swiftly disposing of a growing problem that was reaping nothing but havoc on this thing of ours.

I think the old saying goes...

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

The appropriate ending to this story was written, thankfully.

Nobody was fooled this time around.

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I would like to point out that I was extremely helpful in organizing a city-wide tea party for St. Louis in the middle of all this. Thankfully most of Philadelphia was able to attend and our scone-tea ratio was a healthy 4 to 1.

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It should be noted that Bovine wanted to go to the tea party but had to keep the barn door closed as certain mean people were looking for a steak dinner.

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GingerAle hides the catsup and her steak knife and tries to hide a sheepish grin.

Man (nor woman) cannot live on scones and tea alone.

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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE... UNACCEPTABLE... I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BLASPHEMY!!!!

Scones and Tea are absolutely perfect to sustain life.

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Great explanation, if it wasn't for the third person reference i would of sworn that was Tallien in disguise!


GRHS

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lol not me matey

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I was able to sneak a cup of tea while in St. Louis last night, and it was marvelous.

Half of it ended up on my shirt, since I was without my drool rag, but most of it ended up soothing my dry pallet.

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You may call us "The debt was created by the city and their stupid fucking members"


But these stupid fucking members with the help of other citys managed to kick your ass out of this.

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I'm rather disapointed that Rourke didn't send me a invite for tea and scones
Where is the St Louis hospitality at sir?

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I'm rather disapointed that Rourke didn't send me a invite for tea and scones
Where is the St Louis hospitality at sir?

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But these stupid fucking members with the help of other citys managed to kick your ass out of this.



I would argue it was more of the "help of other citys (sic)" than anything, but I was too busy holding a tea party in St. Louis during the proceedings to notice what was going on.

I'm rather disapointed that Rourke didn't send me a invite for tea and scones
Where is the St Louis hospitality at sir?



I knew I forgot to send an engraved invitation to someone. Sadface. Sorry, _Ragnarok_.

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I never knew  you had a stuttering problem, _Ragnarok_.

I always knew you were just like me deep down!

Corky hands _Ragnarok_ a cookie topped with a giant glob of paste

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Eh, Rourke. The loss of my boss and Godfather is one thing, but to hear I've missed out on the legendary St Louis tea and scones is like a dagger through the heart. You cut me deep.

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