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The Honoured Society | Started by: ScipitaRourke on Dec 06, '09 21:59 |
It was just past eight o'clock in the evening when ScipitaRourke walked into the hotel lobby. They had decided to meet in a hotel in the center of Washington, a neutral site for all concerned.
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Let me start out by saying that i'm glad to see Godfathers coming together to implement something. This is the sort of thing a Godfather council should do. However, I for one, feel like this coalition has been formed by some Godfathers and has left others out in the dark. No one came to me to see how I felt beforehand. I'm not sure if I am the only Godfather left out or if there are others as well. I remember not so long ago when I was looking to restructure a bit, I went to the six other active Godfathers at the time and talked with them about it. Maybe i'm reading too much into it, I really couldn't tell you. While I feel that this coalition could have a positive effect on each city as a whole, I also feel that it's not as cut and dry as it's made out to be. Say a Philly Underboss were to make the mistake of killing an innocent bum mere seconds before they were to turn. Would this still have the same 'death to all' stance? Maybe it would, i'm not singling Philadelphia out, just using it as an example of a 'what if' scenario should it happen to occur. I'll be blunt, i've killed higher ranked people in my city for shooting a protected person or someone who was about to start a life here but never got the chance. However, the difference is this; the victims actually showed promise in actively looking for work within our organizations here. If someone is taking the life of people who are looking for work, then yes, by all means the assailant should be punished. Now, if the victim has showed no promise, and no one even noticed the death until hours later I don't see how it can be classed so black and white as the first scenario. The sleeping bum just happened to wake up from his coma for a moment to dig through a corner store trash can. This bum was still 'very poor', had no interactions with anyone else working throughout the cities, had no tattoos or even a sentiment that he was trying to make an effort to start a life here. Say an Made or above member of a crime family in the United States happened to see this bum fall back asleep and just happen to shoot him a few seconds before he was considered a legal bum, should he suffer the same consequence as the man who shot the youngster who was making an effort to associate himself with a family around our cities? |
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Reply by: Aurora at Dec 07, '09 01:35 | |
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As far as being 'left out in the dark', I very much hope that isn't the case for any Godfather in how they react to this. Each and every city is welcomed and encouraged to join in with this effort. The stance on the no killing of innocent children has long been a commonly agreed upon stance by the majority, one that has had unquestioned support of the leadership of recent times. |
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Reply by: Deimne at Dec 07, '09 05:08 | |
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Julius listened to the announcement by the wonderfully beautiful Godmother of Philadelphia, and nodded his agreement. Although he was a mere gangster in this thing of our's his blood line was proud of what it had achieved, and he too would add a few notches to that achievement belt. |
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Reply by: Julius at Dec 07, '09 05:12 | |
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I would echo Aurora's sentiments that this seems to have come to the streets perhaps a little prematurely, when discussions may have been better served in private. In saying that, I completely understand that this is a debate you could discuss for months and still not have people in complete agreement, no matter how close their views were. More so when so many cities are involved. Personally, given the drive on these shores to see a marked differentiation between those of Made status and those below, I will probably never believe that one rule-set is appropriate for all mafioso. Sometimes you need to look at each case on its own merits. Afterall, we're gangsters out to serve our best interests. More than one have been wacked for this, and more than one have been spared. Life isn't fair, especially in the mafia. In saying this, I will not cut my nose off to spite my face, which is what I would be doing if I didn't agree to this policy, from today onward. More important than any individual punishment is that if people expect something, then it has been made as clear as day, upfront. One way or the other, consensus is desirable. We are all already aware that there is a standard approach to shooting -48s, and that is "Don't do it". Before this, there has never been a federal approach to the punishments or consequences. If this is to be a country-wide agreement, I would propose a standardised "city rule" rather than the disparate messages we are seeing across the board currently, which surely only serve to contribute to confusion of expectations. |
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Reply by: BoabyWanKenobi at Dec 07, '09 05:57 | |
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I already follow the rules set down by the Godmothers/Godfathers and have never been accused or otherwise of killing any member of the section of society in question. However, it seems to me that, by implementing a blanket punishment, not only are we removing any room for pragmatism but we're also putting the welfare of a bum, who has pledged loyalty to no-one and contributed nothing, above 'friends of ours', irrespective of how important they are, their standing or their contributions to this thing of ours over and above one misdemeanour. |
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Reply by: JohnMerrick at Dec 07, '09 07:23 | |
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Having discussed the forming of the coalition with Godfather I will however echo Godfather Kenobi's sentiments that with |
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Reply by: El_Nino at Dec 07, '09 07:28 | |
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The debate on 'a made member is above a civilian/child and should never be punished' has long been suggested by many. It is a debate which has valid points on both sides, I won't suggest otherwise, but.. one which I will always end up falling on the same side of the fence on. |
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Reply by: Deimne at Dec 07, '09 07:29 | |
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Thank you for clarifying a bit, Deimne. I don't believe I ever used the word 'mistake' when mentioning the above scenarios. Obviously I know and agree that people use their guns at their own free will, and should know what they are getting into before they take the shot. Check and re-check should always come into play. I merely wanted to point out a couple different scenarios, that weren't mentioned above to get a feel for the extremities that can occur here. As I would tend to want to protect the importance of killing mades and above so hastily. As i've already stated, i'm not against the general rule we've all practiced before in regards to killing -48's but there are some exceptions to the rule. Another example, if someone is going around taking pot shots verbally or with their shiny new guns, I would expect this person to be dealt with regardless of how long they've been on these shores. I feel that maybe we all should set up a meeting time to discuss this more privately and together, so the original three signers can maybe outline a few more questions that the others might want to discuss. |
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Reply by: Aurora at Dec 07, '09 10:43 | |
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There is no proposed changes to what 'exceptions' can and will continue to be made in relation to -48's. We all know that disrespect or pot shots will always be punishable by death, even in the case of sponsored members. If there is no leader to handle this punishment it will fall on the family of those who suffered the 'attack' to handle it, be it verbal or physical attack. |
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Reply by: Deimne at Dec 07, '09 11:20 | |
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The way I see this is very simple, shooting a -48 is just not done. |
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Reply by: ScipitaRourke at Dec 07, '09 12:19 | |
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I'm curious as to who decided that -48 hour "Gangster" now means "child"? Seems to me like a fairly useful invention to suit a decision that lacks any basis in reality. |
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Reply by: Grin at Dec 07, '09 12:36 | |
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As El_Nino has previously stated, St Louis has signed up to The Honoured Society as it echos the values which I already live by, with or without the society. |
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Reply by: Rhuarc at Dec 07, '09 13:07 | |
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I'm curious as to who decided that a decision made by Godfathers, including myself and since backed by the Godfather of New Orleans, lacks any basis in reality? |
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Reply by: Deimne at Dec 07, '09 13:24 | |
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To pretend 'Gangster' and 'child' have the same connotations is completely wrong. I'm sure we would all agree that murdering innocent children is not part of our thing, but Gangsters are not innocent children, nor should it be painted that they are. However, as you have already decided to take this action, it makes little difference whether you do indeed refer to them as children, -48 hour Gangsters or umpa lumpas, the punishment will be uniform. |
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Reply by: Grin at Dec 07, '09 13:36 | |
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While we may see the work they have done, and dubbed them a gangster, upon their death the only thing the public sees in the newspaper the next day is 'child.' |
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Reply by: PedroRourke at Dec 07, '09 13:54 | |
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They're glorified civilians is what they are. To me, the bottom line is this. We are all agreed on the non-shooting of under 48s. To be frank, it doesn't matter whether they die at 24 hours or 48 hours. All fine. The issue here is on punishment. Before today, like it or not, there was no agreed stance or consensus on an approach that was country-wide. There may have been between certain cities, but not country-wide. As I've mentioned, disparate "city rules" demonstrates this. As long as can reach a consensus on the way forward, I genuinely don't think it makes that vast a difference. The fact of the matter is, beyond genuine errors, this is a very rare occurrence in this world these days. Now, ideally there will be consensus because to have people banned from one city or another does no-one any good. The banners or the bannees (yeah, making up words). As I say, New Orleans will stick to this policy from today onwards. Subtle differences in personal views will, and should, take a back seat to maintaining quality of relationships over the country. The likelihood and hope is that we continue to see very little of this happening. The difference now is an agreed path. |
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Reply by: BoabyWanKenobi at Dec 07, '09 14:24 | |
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I for one know for a fact that if I had ever shot a child/umpa lumpa, whether it was 40 minutes ago or when I first started my career, I would be just another listing in the obituaries. This isn't what stops me from shooting them though, my own beliefs in that the killing of children/umpa lumpas is what stops me. |
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Reply by: -V- at Dec 07, '09 20:12 | |
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Let me state again, that I am not trying to say people shouldn't be killed for this. Overall, I agree with this eye for an eye policy as I have killed my own for taking lives of -48's and protected listers. Since the general consensus is to keep everything in the open, I will do that. My overall concern when I first heard this speech was not to take away from the importance of this rule that we all generally practice anyway. I am not against punishing them. Jumping the gun or not, it shouldn't happen unless absolutely warranted by being provoked by the new Gangster. I will not argue that. I did just want to throw a few examples out of extreme situations as I stated earlier. I would've really liked to have been informed of this beforehand. I love the fact that Godfathers are holding meetings to discuss the welfare of our cities. I just wish everyone was included to begin with. We are all active and conducting business here on a daily basis. I realize at the time the incident that prompted this unified agreement occured, I was out of the country dealing with other affairs. However, I returned to the states well before Godmother Scipita came out to address the public about this coalition. Surely there was plenty of time to speak upon this behind closed doors. As Scipita stated herself, 'Though this is coalition formed by godfathers'. That's exactly it, I feel if you're going to include a couple on this to begin with you could've included them all. What's done is done though, and we must move forward. I look forward to working closer with all of the Godfathers in the future and creating a better horizon for all cities to prosper. |
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Reply by: Aurora at Dec 07, '09 20:38 | |
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I've always been impressed with how tightly regimented this world of ours is. It's amazing how the people of our world can come together and establish the rules and procedures that govern what is and what is not acceptable. I've been involved in other crime organizations in other countries in which no one was held accountable for these types of actions. The answer came back the same again and again: the rain-makers must be the ones to enforce the rules--not karma, not the Gods, but the true fuel of this world itself--the criminals. Bravo to all who stand together to protect the innocent. And, of course, I say the innocent, and not the young, because we are all aware of particular circumstances that warrant the death of a youngling. I am continually impressed by our efforts and ability to self-govern and to establish a set of our own rules. The truth is, there is very little room for anyone to rock the boat in this world, and it comes as the result of the constant vigilance of our leaders. |
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Reply by: Jerry_Seinfeld at Dec 07, '09 21:36 | |
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