While you are waving at everyone HarperLane can you just wave your arse back over here please?

I won't start a witch hunt and make personal insults.

I will just ask you to confirm that you understand what Big_Al said in his original speech?

If so, can you confirm to me, that you believe that the leaders are all cash cowing their members? Giving them very little choice to express themselves and demanding that they give everything they have, including their lives, for absolutely no reward. This is because we all live under a group of people that control our every move and control this world like some secret organisation intent on stamping on the little man.

Do you truly believe that is a reasonable accusation in such a sweeping way?

The only reason I ask is that you have basically ran the crew this man is a part of and as such has accused you of the same things he has accused everyone in a bold suit of.

Don't worry. I will be hanging around as I still need to address your members comments that came my way so reply when you can.

Clay, for the last time, because I am done with this conversation.  When did I ever say ALL Leaders??  find the quote and post it and I will suicide right now.

SOME do.  We all know it.  

This was never a debate, it has been a consistent push to discount everything I posted even though everyone knows there is truth in this thread. 

This was a waste of time and effort.

MR is perfect, couldn't be better and should never change a damn thing.  I will put my credit card back in my wallet and never spend another dollar here.  

 Upon hearing this, Revan awkwardly walks over to the group of people and hands everyone a piece of paper he had been using to write down everything that had been said in this debate of sorts. He always enjoyed taking notes, and decided to use this time to make something clear before the argument continued.

here is a clear divide between “us” and “them”.  When the population crashes, as it has over the past week, all the names in bold or underlined are the same and all those who were praised for their hard work 7 short days ago, have been put back in their place, "we" are earners and nothing more.  If the cities swell once again and “they” run out of old friends to put in positions of power, a select few of “us” will be offered a token once again.  And the cycle continues.”

Can you just explain what you exactly mean right here then? 

KingRevan, after the last war, who were the first time CLs authed?

Harper is not really into waving her arse but decides to answer the question presented to her.

Do I believe that the leaders are all cash cowing their members?  By no means.  I am very much aware of how much money it takes to run and protect a family.  However I can understand the frustrations of a person.   I mean we can change his words around and project what we perceive him as saying all we want. 

 Not all leaders are the same and I surely don’t think Al is speaking of me because he has no idea what his future is going to be like here.  

I have been in conversations with others on the same topic. It’s no hidden secret that some feel they are constantly being overlooked.

I think it’s more someone wanting to grow and achieve the top ranks then actually thinking our CL is taking advantage of us.

I say let’s give it some thought.  Let’s look at giving others opportunity to grow.  Whether it’s in house ranks, a project that might work, just take a look at it.

As I have very clearly explained Harper. The cub I run is a project like the one he has wished for. Not only that it could bethe one you could be running now if you think it's such a good idea. I look forward seeing you give people the opportunity to grow from your own project.

However, I will relate to your point of him saying that he was not referring to you as he does not know his future with you.

“There is nothing I want more than to be a part of a strong, secure family who works together, has fun together and trusts each other.  But this is not possible if we allow a dozen Mafioso to control this land from shore to shore.  Their back room deals, hoarding of cash and willingness to wipe out entire cities as they see fit has not only been well documented, but revealed in the form of private conversations in recent days.”

This land, which is controlled from shore-to-shore by twelve people. So if I just get this right. The 12 people who fully control this world. As in. They control me, you and every single leader, Godfather and person within this land. Is that not what that says? Is that not what he said?

I don't want him to suicide nor do I want him to disappear from these streets. Really Al. I don't. What I want is to stop sweeping generalisations about my set up, my District and my City. If any member has an issue like Al has described I have always implored them to talk to me. As I do now. To paint me in this way is far from fair and bordering disrespectful.

There are ways of making claims against people and this speech isn't it. It was always going to see people become angry towards someone attacking their ways. Which brings me nicely to your final point. Being frustrated and angry at being held back is understandable and fine. But being frustrated and angry without saying a word leaves only yourself to blame. Being angry and frustrated and attacking people in the streets? Thats a sure fire way to leave yourself at the back of the list titled 'people to be put into positions of power'.

dontbemad claps after reading a few thoughts on the topic. Then spits on the ground with this bad taste she got in her mouth.

I am not surprised at the all to see the futile attempts in twisting the problem at hand.  This topic has been raised in the past by others and we are faced with the same rhetoriic as some of the above responses.  I know, you know,  most, if not all know, the same ones are running this show for the better part of the last 18 months. Yeah, we get a new face here and there and the end is always the same for three reasons. 

Personally, I would not give a rats ass if same ones ran it till the sky fell as long as you were not robbing others of enjoyment. But to have the same ones on a personal vendetta against the same ones, does get tiresome.  Not everyone has been here as long as you guys and even myself.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Stop playing on us and all else who agree that are not in position to speak on the streets. They are more honorable then the guilty parties who are robbing many of their joy, hard earned money and time they put in this too.

Nobody is asking anyone to sit around a campfire and sing kum ba yah either. You know what we want and what is needed to make this right. 

If this is not the proof in the pudding I do not know what else to say.

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Good picture for the occasion.  ;)

I would be interesting in hearing further truth.