small added idea to Rogue crews... some type of active non active setting with a timer penalty... restricting people from switching too often... When active in Rogue crews... whack or some other type of attack would be available...

What you guys are actually complaining about and what you actually mean are two different things.

You are complaining that too many people have the top ranks and they are too easily attained. But you're complaining about the system allowing you to have the rank, when really who's fault is that? Before you all turn round and blame the admins, have a think about who presses the button for your promotion beyond Wise Guy - it isn't Squishy or Billy_Bathtub, it is your crew leader.

I'm really tired of the finger pointing to upstairs about things that we can control. Your crew leader gives you your rank when they feel you've earned it. The fact that your crew leader may consider the piss poor effort you've put in as acceptable doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the setup of the game. I think from a coding perspective it is spot on, it from a player perspective where we are completely letting ourselves down.

I remember how hard it was to rank before and I don't want to hear any grumbling that may cause Squishy to rethink it, because we all know he will if you cry loud enough. For some reason he cares what we think and implements changes accordingly.

All of you claiming that it was so great back in the day are being absolutely ridiculous as well. I was there and it was just as dull at times as it is now. We still had people then claiming how great it used to be and in 6 months there will be people wishing it was like it is now. There are always complainers who think it was better than it is at the moment and more often than not they thought it was at its best when they were on top. Funny how that happens.

To quote SecretAgent in one of the most annoying Mafia lines of all time 'If you don't like it, rank up and change it' and given that you think it is so easy to rank up now that shouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately most complainers are only good at complaining and struggle to make an impact when they actually try. I've never understood complaining about things that are within your grasp to change, some people don't even need to build a colossal gun to do it, they just need the art of persuasion. There is very little set in stone with MafiaReturns and as long as you don't break the actual game rules, you can do whatever you have the power to get away with. If you are unhappy with piss easy promotions, encourage the leaders to stop giving them out - only then you would start complaining it is too hard again I'm sure.

Anyway, to anyone not completely useless, everything is changeable if you have the ability to change it.

~G~rin.

Con-fuckin-curred. You think it's too easy to rank? Fuck me, prove it, change this place, tear down the whole establishment. As a veteran of this place and others (7+ years) I can swear from the bottom of my heart that this place is not easy when it comes to climbing the ladder. I have found it far easier in the past to rank to the upper echelons, not this time, it has been one long and hard slog to get to where I am today, 200+ days later. Think before you speak, it is not easy, it is fuckin hard work, simple as that.

complaints... nostalgia... easy leveling... ranking... blah blah blah... im not at all ripping or crying to squishy saying the ranking is too easy, blah blah blah... im adding that thare should be more combat between wiseguys and below... if you look at all my threads or most of my comments... in the end... its about PvP... how wars aren't that frequent, and how since the game pace has been a little faster lately... then all those who might cry over so much new bloodshed can use this faster ranking pace as an incentive to not give up and quit playing... I love how people take shit outta content, and then whip up quick witted comments to make us all feel shitty about our ideas... : ) Not me... : )

Oh yeah... i been thinking.... how for some reason i was gonna get the "I worked my ass off to get here" speech...
im not questioning anyone's status nor Bold name... Read before you speak, it's not easy, it is done with your eye's... simple as that.

I miss it. (mooo)

I must say I do miss the old days, though I haven't been around that long, when I first arrived I loved this world. Mainly cause of the wars, you may ask me now "Oh Hades so you think wars are good when people die and lose their characters" I say YES I think its good, how else can one truly test them selves to see if they are the strongest.

Simply that is true on soo many levels, yes the way you conduct business on a day to day basis is essential but without a doubt war weeds out the weak and those ill-prepared for this life. On a slightly on OOC war brings excitement, yeah you can petty, felony, muc, post in forums on a day to day but you need some excitement here and there that is different from the norm. And people can't whole heartedly deny it either as when there are wars between two cities that doesn't concern them, as they are not IG allies but rather coffeeshop friends, so they join the war under the guise that they are helping a comrade but what they really joined the war was for the excitement.

But one thing is for certain, we can't have it both ways. We can't complain ranking is too hard, then when the game accomodates those people, be upset that it is too easy. We can't complain that we don't live for longer than a week, then when we get an account that's been alive for over 3 months, kick dirt on the notion that there is not enough war. Yet a lot of people do anyway. That is sad.

Normally those people who complain it is too hard to rank are those who don't put in the effort to rank, as if your focused on ranking, say a war would occur every 2-3 weeks that's 21 days and you're putting in sufficient effort you could potentially make Consig in min time, it wont be the hardest thing to knock you off, but it wont be easy, so the excuse that you may only survive for a few weeks, there is not huge motivation to rank, is not a great one. It's mainly used by those who don't put in effort to rank.

There are always complainers who think it was better than it is at the moment and more often than not they thought it was at its best when they were on top.

Like I was at least trying to explain people who can't do or don't try to put their full capability into completing a task are always going to complain, that things are stacked against them, when in reality they are probably the "thing" that is stacked against them self.
However, that same quote can be applied to war as well. People who are not at the top complain there is not enough of it, but when they get a bold suit are fine with how it is because they don't want to get knocked off (now it's not all those in bold suits because I know some people bold suit or not, who still don't think there is enough war).

I miss the old days but I also see what others are saying.

Flashback to CPdays. (Fuck time line it's too early for that shit).

"WE MUST CHANGE AND GET RID OF THE CP DEVIL"

How that one bit me in the arse a few months later. People will always bitch, but need to separate people whining for whining and actual problems.


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Gimp: Ranking is a bitch at the higher echelons. But still, work I put into this account is nothing compared to the work people put into Boss accounts a few years back. It seems devalued, I know more then a few people feel the same way. It's still a bit of work. But look at low ranks.

Wise Guy, absolute JOKE. Fucking spend 12-20 hours online you'll min time it just click monkeying.

Grin: It was boring at times, how many people bitched about scotland? Lots. EVENTUALLY people got fed up and warred her. (nsns tita) Nowadays we are getting people at Godfather retiring. Srsly? Marietta & TR both built up impressive regimes. Best this place has seen in a long ass time. But they still retired. THAT in itself shows staleness in this place. Even if that wasn't their motives.

In terms of controlling rankings. I'm all for a GPCing of this place and making sure only people who have earnt their ranks get it. But well...everyone has different standards so for some people, being a mute idiot that manages to jailbreak for 6 hours a day means you have earned Don. Clearly that is a problem on the player side, a HUGE problem. But I'm also for an admin intervention of ranks requiring more points/less points from jailing. To counteract this giant lack of....anything.

okay last thing then you can all tear me a new one. "Motivation" People worked even harder when there were wars every 2 weeks. Deano, Manny, Tita, Kalos, Kendra, Piggy even yourself Grin. They worked their asses off to get where they were. No one could say they didn't. Look at what Kalos went through as JohnnyAxe. Wars so fucking often it would make some of these "hitters" explode. And he didn't bitch, or work less. He fucking FOUGHT like a monster to keep that shit up and stay on top.

More to say...but this has taken me far to long to write. More to come once someone points out my flaws.

xoxoxox

~Barnabie.

The admins have nothing to do really as to why ranking is easy, not like the ranking system needs changing, and like how grin put it, it goes down to the ones clicking the promotion buttons. Now days crew leaders are more concerned to have as many high ranks in their family as possible but not think if they really deserve it....the ranks are not respected as they use to be. But this does not go with all the current crew leaders and to all of them I kiss you.

But here is another reason why war is essential. When war erupts i have seen to many times these high rankers who have no clue what to do...some of them don't even know how to kill someone or even pro, completely useless. Now all this creates is more easy high rank kills for me, which is alright but I want to think about the game and I never like when things are easy. Its when fighting someone strong that you test yourself and get the true excitement of war. So more war provides experience for them. Rather then making it some complete rare occasion.

It is all up to us the players to change the game if we want it to. People have to keep in mind this is a game, your character will die eventually, so you have to choose, being someone who did nothing, kept their nose out of everything and do everything you are told by the ones stronger then you or grow some balls, take some initiative and don't be afraid to change things around for ya self. Sure things may fuck up and you end up dying but you just start again and keep at it, as many of us have been saying ranking is easy so it shouldnt take that long for you to be back up there.

So who's for a little more combat? "Rogue Crews"?

For the record, JohnnyAxe bitched a bunch. He still does.

Yes, I do.  I miss it a ton.  That's how it was when I played before, wars happened all the time.  It made the game exciting, exhilarating.  Now there are too many high rankers, too much power, no one wants to lose what they've worked so hard for.

Not saying this needs to change, I'm quite enjoying the game as it is now, I just miss how it used to be.

It's true. All JohnnyAxe really wanted to do was be more like that RonMexico chap.

Whoever the fuck that was :S

It was a different world back then.. different features, etc. Yes I miss it, but this is.. the same thing on a different level. Godfather is still a lot of work, but yes we did suddenly get a lot of them but for good or bad that is where we are. Rogues do not happen due to changes in the game basically, so things have changed both game wise and although I miss them, I feel the game and I have grown older which I suppose comes with internal changes also about the game.

One thing i would like to see is min times for ranking after wise guy to be extended. Not do-able every 3 days as that is pretty ridiculous.

okay so.. basically if want to take over a business, in the business district... it would be more RP to do this in a thread... correct? since all this "its hard to rank when your a piece of shit, and don't want war when your made, the game was this, the game was that crap"... agreed RampagingFox

Simply that is true on soo many levels, yes the way you conduct business on a day to day basis is essential but without a doubt war weeds out the weak and those ill-prepared for this life.

John Rambo

Not saying this needs to change, I'm quite enjoying the game as it is now

agreed aswell...

But im still for Gangsters to wiseguys having a little more access to bloodshed... think about it, its the front lines... once you get made, yes! the stakes become much bigger... but before that the food chain was just as bigg. i know im gonna die... im stoked i got made!, but that doesn't mean im gonna leave my gun in the car... Bold names are great... but who says ill ever be there... im trynna make my bones and get tribute up to tha big mons aswell as myself...
Hades

so you have to choose, being someone who did nothing, kept their nose out of everything and do everything you are told

Well said...

I miss the old days, but enjoy the new. Some change is good and we must continue on or end up moving on (aka leaving the site). Yet, the old for me was when not many people played. I believe it would be amazing to see 40 people on if that. Things have to change as we grow and more people join our ranks. 

Take away the concept of rogues. Let people make random families and then have to deal with their actions by facing their city, rather than the WHOLE GAME which is apparently what happens. Ive only been here for a few months but back where I came from, there was no rogue concept. Anyone with x money could make a fam, but those are two completely different games.

Anyways, take away the notion that doing some kind of power grab in your city is going to make you illegible to be attacked by anyone on here and youll see more excitement.

Little Johnny thinks hes hard done by - he decides to train his gun well enough and kills his boss, the family disbands. Normally the whole game would be calling for his head right? (i duno, you tell me please), whereas whatif little johnny comes to all the leaders of his city and tells them the reasons for his actions and they all agree to let him start his own family in that city. Or maybe they dislike his reasons and attack his new family but he's got a heap of good ex members and they fight the opression of their city and win? Now thats excitement.

tl;dr take away the rogue concept attitude and you WILL see the blood that you desire.

Also, if my crew leader or godfather or anybody reads this please dont take this as a threat to your head, im just stating a put which i think is relevant and an idea which i think this issue could be resolved with.

Forgiveness please.

Michael, perhaps the other city leaders would keep their nose out of a rogue in another city if there was certainty that the rogue would be no threat to other cities. That's rarely the case, however. Rogues usually appear in order to attack cities other than their own or just to cause random chaos. In those typical cases, it is every city's problem. This concern is moot, however, as rogues no longer have any impact on the game. The ability to purchase hundreds of bodyguards, combined with the ability to spot a prowack attempt, have rendered rogues completely useless. You will never again see a solitary gunman do significant damage.

You do touch on a certain peculiar practice around here, though. It has been a long time since we have seen "City X" vs. "City Y" in a war. Usually it is a group of city leaders getting together and saying "We don't like the way so and so is running his/her city/family" and then they conduct a massive takedown with their greater numbers and there is no opportunity for retaliation. The more exciting times were when a family defended their own interests without calling for massive backup. The way wars work these days, you would think it was a fucking high school spat involving a bunch of bitchy girls who all gang up on one person. Simply put, there just is not that much intermingling of families in the real mafia. They handle their own business.

"to rank as high as JohnnyAxe"

For the record, I have it on good authority that:

1) JohnnyAxe only mooched off his RHM

2) JohnnyAxe = JohnnyHaxe, which was the only way he was able to accomplish anything