shut up Grin and stop being an ass if you didnt like the topic then why did you reply on iy

congrats

To say you were not disrespectful or offensive in your opinion is irrelevant - Obviously, someone took offense to it, however trivial or serious it may be.


However, there could have been other ways to approach this without blatantly stating it right inside the topic.

Congratulations, Morgan.

And the award for "Nice Guy of The Year" goes to.......... GRIN!

I actually agree with the first couple of statements.

I think the point,which is being continually missed by subsequent posters, was that they may have taken offense to something that isn't even present. This doesn't render the fact it was not disrespectful or offensive in Grin's opinion wrong.We can all be guilty of misinterpreting things from time to time, as is the case here. This is not an insult to the family or the child; this was simply a general concern of a rule-abiding player recognizing a thread located in the inappropriate location.

I think the fact that some of you are quick enough to respond to this in order to shoot Grin down, when you haven't even realized that the baby in question doesn't belong to Morgan at all yet offer her congratulations, rather telling about your intentions. But I suppose it would be too much, for a select few, to actually read threads and understand them before you type a response.

All in all, though, congratulations to the parents!

-Battista

"To say you were not disrespectful or offensive in your opinion is irrelevant - Obviously, someone took offense to it, however trivial or serious it may be."

I'm offended by this statement, if you disagree it is irrelevant.

Think its time to crush the bashing that's been going on. Grin said this didnt belong in OOC (rightfully so), and Marco moved it to the outside forum.

For those wanting to cherish this moment, pay your regards to the kid and move along! Im sure most of you are considerate enough not take advantage of this as a 'venting' place.

Grats parents.

To GiovanniBovine/Scipita/Grin/whoever else mentioned this being the OOC forum - Your wrong. The OOC is supposed to be Mafia,but just out of character, like saying 'lol,rofl,lmfao,omg etc. etc. And you would all be completely right about her not having to come announce this..However,we're in the outside forum...which is anything you want to talk about non-game related...You see people talking about Michael Jackson,and what your favorite game is etc....This isn't mafia out of character,yet you aren't all correcting them.

Congrats to the parents!!

I understand this was once in the OOC forum...In that case...I apologise to Giovanni/grin/scipita,etc. etc....Maybe I should check around before I reply...

shut up Grin and stop being an ass if you didnt like the topic then why did you reply on iy

congrats

Reply by: j-bob at Dec 23, '09 14:19


As you have shown through two threads. You have no idea how OOC works, so please. Keep idiot comments to yourself.


Secondly as Battista said....not her baby. To my knowledge the parents aren't even PLAYING. So really....I'm sure they are so very offended by the lack of someone wanting to hear an update about their baby online...while they take care of a fucking baby....

Along with Fatality. Yes, outside let's move on. Yet now I ask...why the fuck is it back cluttering up OOC?

Commence ranting again....

Let them know how adorable she is! Babies are so cute, but give me about 10 years before I ever want my own. Haha.

I'm sure she is a sweet little thing. Congrats!!!

Bravo everyone.

I've seen a lot of stupid discussions, debates, and frivolous arguments in my many years of playing Mafia...

And I'm wondering if this one takes the cake.  Do you all seriously have enough time in your lives to debate the relevance of an OOC thread that was essentially one father/mother parading their newborn around?  Back in the old days we just assumed the street cleaners would "get their shit together" and move it to where they felt appropriate.  There was no need for a fucking debate...

Yet today, we have to bicker in a desperate attempt to win the favor of the people who should be making these appropriate decisions.  I don't want to put down two people who I respect and have supported since they began this undertaking... but why is this sort of thing even allowed anymore?  The thread should have been moved to OUTSIDE forum and that would be the end of the story.  So why do people like Grin feel that it is necessary to do the admins jobs for them, if there were not a void to fill there? 

Grin, you always have something profound to say; that is in your opinion of course.  I'm not discussing here whether I agree with your views or opinion on this matter, but to say the least - your execution was tactless.  I'm also not accusing you of being a horrible person or judging you on what hospitals you visit and who's life you cheer up this Christmas season... but I am asking you to leave this sort of shit for an IRC discussion or somewhere else more appropriate.  

I also don't come onto MR for the short time I have anymore, just so that I can read this sort of malicious garbage.  Grin, if you have a problem with the fact that the administration is not doing what they promise and not doing their part to enforce the rules - get the testicular fortitude to take it up with them.  God knows that I have done so for various reasons in the past and I stand by my own opinions.  But again, I don't allow those opinions to tear away at the very fabric of good "natured"gameplay. 

pathetic T.T get a life yall

The thread should have been moved to OUTSIDE forum and that would be the end of the story.

Correct, and it was. Then it was moved back here by someone else and, rather predictably, the debate has started up again needlessly. It is a silly debate, but the fact of the matter is, it should be in Outside. Then again, so should much of the crap that litters OOC these days. The tidy up has to start somewhere though, the forum's a mess.

EzioMedici, I was done with this thread, which is why I've tolerated people be consistently wrong and/or insulting since I last spoke, but I can't believe you actually just posted that.

Do you all seriously have enough time in your lives to debate the relevance of an OOC thread that was essentially one father/mother parading their newborn around?

The essence of your response is 'I can't believe you all argued about this' then proceeded to do exactly that. Do not cast the stones when your house is completely made of glass. You also mirrored the inaccurate response of several others in this thread, despite corrections - this was not essentially one father/mother parading their newborn around. This was someone completely independent of the parents, who as far as I can tell don't even play at the moment, making a two line post and a link to pictures of someone else's kid in the OOC forum, which is still the wrong place, after bumping two other more informative threads that covered this topic.

Furthermore, there was no need for a debate as I, you and some others have said this should have been moved to the Outside forum and if it was posted there to begin with, as I've already said, I would not have commented on it at all. There can be no debate on the relevance of this OOC thread to being in the OOC forum, because it shouldn't. Nobody has subsequently said it should either and if people like you and ScipitaRourke didn't make insults to me; I would not have had to respond again once I had made the point.

Back in the old days we just assumed the street cleaners would "get their shit together" and move it to where they felt appropriate.

I have always assumed the street cleaners would 'get their shit together', especially after Billy_Bathtub recruited more staff, but judging from the state of the OOC forum, that just clearly isn't happening at the moment. I also disagree that in the old days people just assumed the street cleaners would get it right, I can remember vehement complaints about and to the street cleaners in the past.

Yet today, we have to bicker in a desperate attempt to win the favor of the people who should be making these appropriate decisions.

It has never been nor will it ever be my intention to curry favour with the decision makers on this game, in fact if you look you will find that I am one of the only people who ever dates to disagree with them when I don't think they are right. But unlike those IRC grumblers, I disagree based on fact then put the effort in to make a logical coherent argument as to the reasons why I disagree. Then, I bother to post that, attribute my name to it and deal with the heat it draws as a response. I don't cower in anonymity and speak tough words behind the safety of private IRC rooms. I don't just go along with it and assume it will all work out in the end, because more often than not it won't unless people say something about it. I'm not prejudice; I judge things on their merits. If I think they are right, I'll say that and equally when I think they are wrong, I'll say that as well.

So why do people like Grin feel that it is necessary to do the admins jobs for them, if there were not a void to fill there?

If the job was being done, I wouldn't have to speak, because there wouldn't be an issue. I'm not a complainer for the sake of complaining, I like to see things done properly and the way they should be. I give praise to things done well and offer suggestions to improve them - regularly, when they aren't. Therefore I would say there is definitely a void that needs filling.

Grin, you always have something profound to say; that is in your opinion of course.

I hope that isn't intended as offensively as it appears to be, but do you honestly believe I think 'I've got something profound to add to this' and then spill it. No, I see people saying the same stupid nonsense so often that it needs correcting. Unlike other people, I form my opinions on the basis of fact. The opinion that what I add is worthwhile is a view shared up and down the MafiaReturns community and even my most grudging haters rarely doubt my knowledge of Mafia and how MafiaReturns should be played. Do I believe what I say? Of course I do or I wouldn't bother saying it. Don't imply that I'm the only person who feels I add a valuable contribution, because if that was the case, I'd gladly stop giving 1000 word responses to things and let the streets be littered with inaccuracies, bad advice and "good reads". Instead I take the time to make lengthy posts where they are needed and I'll even follow up things I've said in mail conversation with the speakers. This seriously takes up hours of my day and half the time these people aren't even in my crew. I know what I'm about to say and most of the time it isn't for my benefit that I bother to put the effort in and say it.

I'm not discussing here whether I agree with your views or opinion on this matter, but to say the least - your execution was tactless.

If you agree that this was in the wrong forum, which according to the posting guidelines it is, then you agree with my view and opinion on this matter. As you said "but why is this sort of thing even allowed anymore? The thread should have been moved to OUTSIDE forum and that would be the end of the story." then you agree with my view and opinion. Don't try to distance yourself from that in order to line up shots.

Could I have been nicer to Morgan? Yes, I probably could. But why should I? This is the absolute basics of our forums and this an experienced crewleader posting 2 lines of drivel about a topic that has two threads already dedicated to it. I've said before it isn't the specifics of the matter that particularly bother me, it just happened to be the latest one I saw that was effortless and irrelevant. If the crewleaders don't set the example of what is acceptable to post and what isn't who is going to?

And before any questions arise of whether I think anything I've posted here is acceptable, I do. I stand by all I've said and will continue to do so.

but I am asking you to leave this sort of shit for an IRC discussion or somewhere else more appropriate.

No. 'This sort of shit' needs to be said in the game, because that is where the problem is. Too many people sit back and complain on IRC and nothing changes. This isn't a pet hate I have or a trivial incident that bothers me, this is violation of the posting guidelines written by VendettaJames under the help tab.

I also don't come onto MR for the short time I have anymore, just so that I can read this sort of malicious garbage.

If this is aimed at me, you've clearly just done the same as previous posters and invented malice in my responses that doesn't exist. I have nothing against Morgan, in game I've had no problems with her and the only incident I can recall was dealt with swiftly and effectively. OOC I don't know about her personally and similarly therefore, have no problem with her. I do however, have a problem with people who should know better posting things that don't belong. I didn't insult Morgan, I haven't insulted anyone from start to finish, yet I'm continually targeted for insults and slights, which I continue to let slide. My crime here is apparently being right and honest, rather than dropping a lot of smiley faces in order not to hurt anyone's feelings.

Grin, if you have a problem with the fact that the administration is not doing what they promise and not doing their part to enforce the rules - get the testicular fortitude to take it up with them.

I wonder if you have absolutely any idea who you are talking to or just pretended I was someone else to try and make that fit. I am sure Billy_Bathtub, FullMetal, Mario, Anubis and Squishy could tell you of the times I've disagreed with them. I'm sure the other members of the administration could provide you with further examples as well. In fact, if you bothered to look through the threads by Squishy, Anubis, Billy_Bathtub, Mario and Squishy, I'm sure you'll be able to find evidence of it for yourself. You guys seriously begin to anger me with baseless accusations like that. When have I ever shown any lack of testicular fortitude in addressing problems as and when I've found them - Never. I've been banned, I've been admin wacked and I've been killed in game more times than I can count because when people are wrong, I make the point.

But again, I don't allow those opinions to tear away at the very fabric of good "natured" gameplay.

Good for you. If this good "natured" gameplay was done in line with "posting guidelines" I would have absolutely no problem. But it wasn't. It was effortless, irrelevant and in the wrong place.

Hopefully so that I don't have to keep doing this and to prevent people making continued efforts to talk about my mysterious intentions; my one and only intention was to stem the tide of forum desecration by threads that are effortless, irrelevant and do not belong. If I offended anyone with that, you're wrong; this thread should not be in OOC. If you feel I have some problem with this child, the parents, or Morgan's desire to post them, you've invented that yourself. The majority of the userbase does not care about announcements like this, I count myself amongst that category, for the same reasons I don't have any problems with the aforementioned. I do not know them. Most of us, do not know them. Therefore it would be a lie for me to pretend that I did and I think the fact that 8 people out of the 516 active in the last 24 hours posted congratulations emphasises that point.

I would ask that you desist with insulting me, it is growing wearisome.

~G~rin.

Is it only a few of us who actually see that Grin is right. Morgan should have known better to have posted this thread in the Outside forum not the OOC forum. I myself am tired of seeing threads that have no place here in the OOC. Not only that but I am tired of seeing the constant crap that is being posted in the Streets. You can see why the admins have left this thread in the OOC, because it has started a discussion clearer OOC based.

You may ask yourself why are people getting the wrong idea when posting threads and where to place them. I for one blame the posting requirements some families have set for people to receive promotions. Now we are getting all this shit posted just so people can get their original thread or posts count up.

OOC is for game related topics which can be discussed out of character. The Streets should be completely In Character and I always use to look at the streets for important announcements or new discussion being brought up but now I tend to avert my eyes from it cause majority of what  I'm seeing is shit.

I see blame being made on the admins for incidents such as this, I personal believe they hold no blame. The blame goes to leaders of the game, they should be setting an example of what posts should look like and where they should be posted. Also Crew leaders should be teaching their members, especially the noobs, how people should post threads and what is an appropriate thread for which forum.

We should not be calling out admins to move threads cause situations like threads being in the wrong forum shouldn't happen. Of course it will happen sometimes but if we continues to show those with lesser understanding on how to post threads properly then incidents such as this should not happen or would happen less, though it was a Crew leader herself to make this mistake, I'm glad she made it for she started a discussion on a topic that needed attention to.

Hopefully us the players can learn to fix situations like this ourselves to stop future incidents,  without relying on the admins all the time, I personally like a game that has minimum involvement from the admins.

For those who might not understand, as I was writing my response this thread got moved to the Outside forum. I was still under the impression it was in the OOC. Hope that lacks confusion after reading my response

Ok, the incredible forum bouncing thread is here to stay... Whatever the original topic was it has since evolved into a game related debate so it will remain in the OOC forum.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

<3 tiggy

Wow., if you got nothing to say good about the thread, dont type at all and click the submit button..

congrats on the parents!

To be honest, what rubbed me the wrong way from Grin's first post "can we not have any more pointless bullshit OOC threads about this sort of nonsense?"

I don't think it's pointless, I don't think it;s bullshit and I certainly don't think it's nonsense. So that right there seems like an excess of foul language that, in my opinion, was a gratuitous jab at the original poster.

That being said, I obviously agree that we don't need three threads about the same topic, we don't need it in OOC and I'm still wondering how it was that Morgan was so overwhelmed by emotion that she decided to share pictures about a kid that is not even her own family member.

So, like somebody already implied, we let this escalate unnecessarily. 

Hades, I do not believe that posting requirements are to blame for idiotic threads. Idiots and/or lack of tutelage are.

First of all, if there were no requirements, you would have people with two posts and no threads getting their button and you would have people complaining about mute being promoted.

What needs to be done is have leaders pass down standards that must be met. I always have my new members show me their plans for their original thread to avoid them embarrassing themselves and I'm still in awe that leaders keep letting their members post those dumb "How many times...?" threads. I would smack their face into next week if one of my members did that.

I don't care what anyone says. Belongs in OOC. Congratulations to you both! :)