What are you gaining from succeeding toppling the powers that be? Exoneration? Global recognition for your efforts? Your reputations will not swell, they'll remain what you believe them to be now. The intensity of your efforts compared to the rewards is heavily outweighed. And not in your favour. Nothing changes around here, if the state of the world was so abysmally dire, then you might have a point, but if it called for such intervention then some divine force would bring about their wrath and resolve the situation.

You know why bloodlines are falling by the guns of those in power? Because they're looking for people like you. You're not fixing the cycle, you're feeding the cycle, you're part of the cycle. You're creating paranoia and fear, which breeds paranoia and fear. If you get lucky and eventually do get your man, all that's going to happen is his kin returns to fuck things up for you, and the next regime in control.

If a select few people want to rule things with an iron thumb, let them, the world has a way of solving those problems itself. Like I said, real takedowns of the real powers come from within, not underneath. This is a 'mafia world' let people be mobsters and fix things the right right way.

Your way isn't the solution, and if it's not the solution it's part of the problem.

I do have to say, you started off somewhat strong. You should have just let it be and not do exactly what others have already expressed. Dig yourself a very large hole. You speak of what you once were and the clout your group once had. But it's exactly that, a bunch of has beens. You might be right in what you say, but you are going about it the wrong way. Begging or paying others to do your work for you. On top of that you're hardly making a mark in this thing of ours other than your poorly worded complaints that are fairly hard to listen through. There have been many in your shoes before you, but they were smarter than you. They built in the shadows until they were able to strike from the top down. You see what you are doing is only making it easier on the top if they are really doing what you are saying. If you are killing somewhat important members to them, that's one less they will have to kill once they are well experienced in killing since you just did it for them. Now I'm sure you will say that oh well they will never let them build big enough to be able to stand a chance against the top, but there are. It's been done before and it can be done again. Will they get there joining your clique? Most likely not as the ones that have been able to do it were extremely close-lipped about it and had their most trusted protect them and even they didn't know about their plans until it was necessary. Coming out into the streets yelling on and on about how there will be more retribution that will hit the top is also hurting your attempts as they will just look harder. I'm guessing since you're saying the time is coming that the top will be struck down or however you worded your threat actually isn't in the works at all as any mobster with half a fucking brain would know better than to spout off such a thing if someone was in fact building to do this because you just put a big target on their back. Great work though fellas!

I have to agree with the Afghan here, getting into a debate into the streets about it is probably the last thing you should be doing. As much as I find underground groups entertaining to watch, the likes of Iron Fist and Who-Err said little and acted more, toppling regimes by killing those on top as opposed to their members. While we're a long way from those times and the way in which things work now are different, it does require a lot of time and effort to try and topple a regime. But it is doable. I don't condone trying it, but I would suggest that rather than cherry picking members of those you dislike you take the approaches that others such as Mr Gato have suggested.

It's been done before, it will be repeated again at some point. It's all down to whether or not Silk Glove are prepared to put in the effort and time required or if they have the resources to tap in to those who are currently in power, in order to bend their will to their own.

Again I don't condone it but I believe it's poor form on Silk Glove's behalf to come out here talking when little has been done to reach their goal, it all sounds a little too much like one of Kuku's debacles.

I've often herd a rumor about an old dusty golden bong inside this hollowed fort.

 Mr. PairofTits I am going to be respectful and answer your questions.

HarperLane, who is to say who the rogue is?

The rogues are the ones who don’t follow the laws of the land no matter what their cause might be.  In case you are unaware of them here they are:

Do NOT shoot anyone who has the -48 tag on their profile. They are entitled to time to find a home. Do NOT shoot at anyone who is SPONSORED even if they are Inactive. You DO NOT have the authority to shoot at ANY Sponsored members. 

Being disgruntled or unsatisfied with the way things are is not proper authority to kill.  Picking random targets shows your lack of respect for a man’s life and you also jeopardize the families you have spread your vigilantes out to.  This is the reason why the scrutiny of new recruits is so important.

If we were to say SpikeS is the rogue, would you call him a "good rogue"?

As a trusted servant of Godfather Chairman SpikeS I would call him none other than Godfather Chairman.  As a thug in the streets I don’t give a fuck about what you were to say about him.  In 7 days the family that picks you up will have to deal with you and any repercussions from the Godfather or you are a dead man.

Don’t get it twisted.  This is not a game it’s a way of life.  There is nothing new or unprecedented about the state of the present affair here.

There is a zero tolerance for rogues here.  Anyone that follows you and infiltrates a family for the sole purpose of going rogue won’t change jack shit.

You and the members of the Silk Glove are delusional.  You will never be awarded anything because you haven’t earned it.

Have to agree with pretty much everyone here. laying down on the street throwing a temper tantrum(wacking random members) won't change anything. If you don't like it, your "organization" would be much wiser to quietly prepare and then cut off the head. That would allow you to actual enact the change you want. What you are doing now is just kicking and screaming on the ground like a 2 yr old. It will get you nowhere, nothing will change. Every character you randomly wack will just come back and play some more and nothing will change. By all means though, keep wasting your time, its marginally entertaining.

What exactly is a character to wack, Ewiv? I'm a Made Man over here and I'm not real in the know about what exactly characters are.

Although, the man already said earlier that they didn't want to change anything themselves, but force the ones who are in charge to change, I suppose.

I don't agree with these glove people, but I can see their point of view. It is a change to which some bloodlines continue on and on, which happens ALL the time. Their blood just decided to follow in their parents footsteps as rogues, instead of being a 'productive' member of our society.

*Ewiv takes a long drag of his cigar while staring at Otter quizzically*

What do you mean you don't know what character is? Everyone's got character kid. You got the gun slinging muscles of crew characters. You got the wise guy characters. You got thugs that only talk the talk with 3 guys behind them so they feel brave. You got little misses showing a little leg and promising you a good night sleep. Lots of character Otter, what character are you?

Otter, you are a far cry from cunning. Get with the topic at hand and stop looking like an idiot.

I always did have a way with shutting up the bullshit.