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Freedom Of Speech: Where is the line drawn? | Started by: Erratic on Feb 16, '10 19:53 |
Personally i love nothing more than a good street debate. Something that gets the masses talking amongst eachother and exchanging their opinions on matters. But sometimes, in fact, quite a lot of the time, some people take debates too far and overstep the line. See, some people just don't know when to shut up and they let their emotions get the better of them which often leads to insults, whether it be aimed at a Godfather/mother, crewleader or any joe bloggs. Inevitably, someone takes offence and said person ends up in the obituaries, all because of one little outburst, a moment of madness. Sometimes heated street debates even lead to much bigger things, as proved recently. |
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Adelaide shakes her head and stares at the speaker I believe there have been a few speeches on this particular matter recently. Now while it is sometimes good to bring up this subject, after longer length of time, for the ones newest to our way of life, I don't see the reason to have another so soon. Regardless, I'll bite. Again. As long as you speak with respect, obey Omerta, and use your judgment in all other cases there is no reason to fear having a watery end. Those that can't do that earn their cement feet. |
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Reply by: Adelaide at Feb 16, '10 19:58 | |
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Nobody is out there protecting my freedom of speech. If I don't get shot in a debate it's not because of my opponent's reverence for my freedom of opinion, it's because they don't want to look like an asshole who isn't bright enough to defend their position. This little fact is what keeps freedom of speech open and free on our streets. When someone does get shot, it's most often for being disrespectful, not simply for speaking their minds. In my opinion, if you can't mount an argument without coming across as disrespectful, then you shouldn't argue with people who can kill you. |
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Reply by: Vito_T at Feb 16, '10 20:09 | |
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Well I would be classed as one of the mutes. I very rarely come out here to voice my opinion on things, however when I do so I try to provide my own insight into something rather than just nodding along and saying "well said". So lets just put it as I'm picky as to what I decide to get involved with in the streets. |
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Reply by: Dante_Balboni at Feb 16, '10 20:26 | |
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Puck tips his hat for what Dante have said, a well thought and clearly stated his opinions. Id love debates as much as Iota' burger plus SpaceMountain and well I know you get my point, intellectual beings : I love debates. And oh if you call me mute, Ill be happy to say that youre a stupid lazy ass who doesnt know what is a mute person. Just like my man Dante, saying here, I am silent too, especially with those over repeating issues and endless whatnots that have been over and over again uttered by the unmute persons. hmm..This can be a good line to draw in the FOS limitations, stop repetition or atleast for us it will be beneficial. On to the topic, freedom of speech is a gift of God and law to us maybe a blessing for those who can speak. But yes there are freaking limitations people!.My father once tell me when i was young bullying my old brother then while he kicking my ass he always tell me "If youve got nothing good to say, then shut the F up". While remembering I always burst out laughing because what the hell is F? its just a ltter but when i get my mind working,yeah its a freaking insult. Lesson folks : If youve got nothing good to say, then shut the D up!. Well in a debate it is always inevitable that people will heat up, almost killing them with their eyes, imagining they have laser eyes because of how deadly eyes are looking while putting their opinion like a dagger in their opponents' heart..It always happen, and will not change. But at the end of day, exhibiting debating skills must not be take advantage by those people who dont have those instead have their own skill that can break someone's skull. Puck tips his hat yet to another person., nice job to erratic very cool proposition that get me into it.. |
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Reply by: pucky_returns at Feb 17, '10 00:11 | |
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There is no freedom of speech as such. Well, there is in the sense that you can say whatever you want, as long as you are happy to deal with the consequences if someone takes exception. For the most part, if you use your words wisely, you'll be absolutely fine and there is no reason not to voice your thoughts. As for your second question, do the lower ranks get treated unfairly compared to the higher ranks? Hopefully so, we're talking about cosa nostra here, not an equality board. The mafia shouldn't be fair, there are ranks for a reason, it should be whatever the higher ranks (ie, those with power) decide it is. You earn your share of 'fair', it's not granted to all. Or shouldn't be. |
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Reply by: Hoopi at Feb 17, '10 03:59 | |
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In my life, I have informed the public that Diemne enjoys dressing up as a gimp and being humiliated. I have edited heavily some of the information, but never the less told everyone that Scipita is his mistress/dominatrix. I have abused the eating habits of Godfather Iota. I have outed my own boss, Don Poisonous Jelly as an uncontrollable kleptomaniac. In the next few days I will be talking about Kates in much the same tone. It's not what you say that matters... it's context and content. The Liar feels a little strange after spending a few moments speaking the truth, so heads off to find a drink. |
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Reply by: The_Liar at Feb 17, '10 04:34 | |
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It just goes to show, even when you spend your time pointing out the obvious it won't always lead to your death. |
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Reply by: Deimne at Feb 17, '10 04:39 | |
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Liar, I think you were probably on the verge of trouble there though. Fortunately, I found the pictures in time. You owe me... |
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Reply by: Hoopi at Feb 17, '10 05:11 | |
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its very normal for The_liar to lie..i was shocked when he said he telling the truth but i got even shocker when GF Deimne seconded what the liar says |
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Reply by: pucky_returns at Feb 17, '10 05:16 | |
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I think that Hoopi kind of put nail on the hammer or wait the hammer on the nail. Oh which is it? Can never keep those silly expressions right. As for what The_Liar points out it is quite true some of it but to which parts I attest to be true I shall take with me to the grave. Walks off wondering when all these expressions entered his mind. |
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Reply by: WolfVidi at Feb 17, '10 06:51 | |
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Freedom of speech... interesting topic here. Of course the streets are for everyone... everyone here is in title of own opinion. Why doest is get out of hand? Because people fail to listen or listens with a closed minded ear. I always encourage freedom of speech and what others think always interets me. And i respect the ones that have a different opinion from mine. Why does it get out of hand though? Yes i asked this question twice... What is the point of making an issue with what someone has to say. If he gets frustrated and lacks the respect we all think we deserve... then why reply to it. Why give them the honor of having a reason to shoot you on the event that you are lower rank than he? If you are low in rank and see that it is getting out of hand... stop right there and go to your leader with your issue. Your leader is there to advise you, to help you. But you also have to listen to your leader... otherwise, well... you deserve to die. This is the whole idea of having family's in this thing of ours. And it is the whole idea of the family structure... so one knows who to ask for help. |
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Reply by: sneakyrat at Feb 17, '10 09:57 | |
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I think that alot of people have gotten into the habit of seeing "this thing of ours" less like a criminal syndicate, and more like a bunny loving fun zone. Yes, you have a right to speech, yes you can say what you want. No, it doesn't mean that what you say won't get you killed.
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Reply by: ______ at Feb 17, '10 11:06 | |
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Reply by: Erratic at Feb 17, '10 11:24 | |
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Absolutely nothing wrong with voicing a well though out opinion on our streets. Its when people continue to "run their mouths" and litter our streets with their disgruntled, petty ramblings and continue shouting their conspiracy theories to anyone that offers an audience .... that is something that I personally could do without. |
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Reply by: JkL at Feb 17, '10 17:15 | |
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Drunk Floyd approaches. Taking another shot before he thinks and than stopping to take another shot before speaks.
I've always been the type to tell people "say what you feel", as long as what you feel doesn't change the emotions of what those listening felt. At the same time touching the feelings of those who can leave bodies filled, with bullets that is. It's not really if what you're saying is right or wrong. In our life there is no right or wrong. Crime is wrong and those who can kill you are right even if they're wrong, but hey that's the mafia and we're mobsters. The best thing going is to become one who can kill or call shots to those that can kill, therefore you will always be right. Isn't that the reason we chose this life anyway? Floyd needs a shot so he takes another Long story short, in my opinion there is no freedom of speech, only freedom of choice. So choose wisely what you say or you'll be chose, for cement shoes and dripping wet clothes.
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Reply by: MississippiMobFloyd at Feb 17, '10 19:00 | |
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You know.. its cold times we live in and what looks good on paper is not always reality. We live and conduct our business in an era that condones violence, murder, crime as business ans women for hire. |
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Reply by: StripheCorelli at Feb 18, '10 05:54 | |
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Looking back over my family tree I can see the demise of many of my ancestors was due to voicing their opinion in the streets a little too clearly. They crossed the line and payed the ultimate sacrifice for it as so many mobsters do. |
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Reply by: Youngsta at Feb 18, '10 07:04 | |
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I'll keep this short and sweet. In my own opinion, freedom of speech only goes as far as what you can carry off with your rank, gun and such. If you're a Godfather with the biggest gun on the game, there's no limit to your freedom of speech. If you're a gangster who hasn't even shot your gun at a shooting range then your freedom of speech is exceptionally limited. Just make sure you take into account if the person you're talking to is bigger than you then you need to keep yourself in check. |
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Reply by: Cryptic at Feb 18, '10 07:33 | |
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I love these discussions of "legal" topics like freedom of speech. This is not the government of the United States. There is no "freedom" of speech here. You are entitled to or prohibited from speaking by your family, your city and your God(s). What Cryptic says has some merit. Generally, you'd like to think your speeh is somewhat limited by your rank. And it absolutely should be limited by your rank, and in many cases is surely that. But that's not always the case in this world, as it is typically those with no rank who find the "courage" to speak in this world. And obviously when I say courage, I mean stupidity - because it's usually some moronic whine about how they were wronged in a past life that is spewed most freely in this world. And I'm not sure your speech is totally limited by your rank. I imagine that if your speech remains respecful that your speech can be limited only by the rank of your leader or the power of your Godfather. |
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Reply by: Hal_Jordan at Feb 18, '10 10:18 | |
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