"Wow, after this long time it's pretty sad on how war is played by deception. Power is something that can really corrupt something, but then to lead to backdoor messaging because of petty threats that I assume were barely even investigated; knowing the truth hurts but out here it's considered tough love, snap."

Peralta walked away slowly, wondering when the door to the chamber unlocks.

I wasn't originally going to bother listening further but I am amazed by the reactions here.

So let's say this conversation at the end of this woman's speech is true, it clearly suggests that there was a plan to rogue. Are we all taught not to be loyal to our family? To do whatever it takes to protect them? If this is still the case and a rogue plan was being suggested to me I would at once inform Maria. If she could do nothing with the bits of information I had then at least she would be aware and able to take precautions in the event that such would or could take place.

So while you are all harping on the fact that what Ariana did was wrong, I don't agree. Unless everything was false of course. However, since AnnieO and FrankDowneyJr have taken their own lives, there seems to lay a suspicion that it may indeed have been true. Since they are dead we can't really ask them now can we?

I'm with Cin on this one. Family is everything, and protecting family goes right along with that. I keep hearing this talk of 'betraying friends' and the like since I've arrived on these shores, and it fucking baffles me. People have their priorities all fucking wrong and it makes me sick.

Oh, and the fact that the two who were accused remained completely silent and subsequently took their own lives absolutely screams "Guilty" to me. I know if someone falsely accused me of some shit like this I'd be out here defending myself until I ran out of breath. 

Stefania watched as Ariana went person to person, insulting each one instead of actually addressing any of the points that were made. When the girl reached her, she couldn’t help but laugh. “Riled up? Oh this is hardly me riled up. You clearly can’t address any of the points people are making and instead you sink to petty insults; so really, you seem to be the one riled up.”

As more people joined the conversation, Stefania realized that some of them hadn’t bothered to listen to Ariana’s entire speech, or they wouldn’t be making the comments that they were making. “Cin, UnderwearBuddy, did you miss the part of her speech where, when her mother didn’t get the reaction she wanted from Crystalize she wrote that she ‘should've kept her mouth shut and let FMP and AnnieO shoot the little members’. How she questions why Crystalize would even dare go talk to these people?”

“She can claim all she wants that she was trying to protect her family by reporting a threat. What she did instead was try to get revenge on someone whose bloodline she admits hating and when it didn’t work out the way she intended, she took her own life and fled from that same family. That's not protecting anyone, it's a poor plan that back fired on her."

Oh no I definitely did not miss that part. Shoulda, woulda, coulda's mean very little to me. The fact is she took it to Crystalize regardless of what she thought she should have done otherwise.

Regardless of her own motives, hatred, vengeance whatever she in fact did the right thing. I see a bunch of people harping on the fact that she should have remained quiet. The fact is, she didn't. I see hands coming out here suggesting that friends are more important than family, that is untrue. It is attitudes like that, that help her own personal suggestion that she should have remained quiet that much more.

So if you want to protest on the things she "could" have done but didn't then so be it. Fact is, she reported a threat. For that I will give her praise because that is exactly what you SHOULD do. If we teach everyone to remain silent, we teach them that it is okay to not care about the safety of their family.

So in short Stefania, I care about the actions she did. Whether she or others agree with it or not, it was in fact the right thing to do regardless of her personal feelings for said person. If the people weren't guilty, why did they take their own lives? As UnderwearBuddy says, it shows a complete sign of guilt.

Why is this discussion even taking place here? If you discover some elaborate rogue plot then report it to your uppers and let them put the precautions in place to deal with said threat. You don't go running into the street and telling the whole world like you are excited you just found out some new gossip.

There is a chain of command and it should be used. CL's will discuss the issues and handle the threat as they see fit.

If AnnieO and Robert were guilty of something then this issue should have been brought to Frank_Gallagher so that he could handle his family members. We live in a world where respect and family are what our code stands for, so respect the people in the position of power and trust in their judgement to make the correct decisions whatever they may be.

With the resulting deaths from this fiasco, I will consider the case closed. If anyone has any issues linked to this, I would suggest taking the information to your uppers.

Azazel flips up his collar and heads back to his daily business, reloading his gun for any potential Durdens he should encounter on his way back to the Distillery

Stefania, I missed nothing. I did not defend Ariana's words, intentions or conclusion - I simply pointed out that people keep banging on about friendships when family is all that matters. I then pointed out how guilty the two accused looked once they suicided.

I didn't claim that she was trying to protect anyone either, or even speculate as to her reasoning. I genuinely couldn't care less about any of that. Actually I didn't speak about Ariana at all or even mention her once, so I'm not entirely sure why you've even made the assumption that I did.

Liftoff pulled back the cover on his investigation report he had been looking into.

Liftoff: "There are quite a few interesting topics being discussed over here that might need a little input on my perspective on this. To deliver any type of information to my boss is always welcomed. In fact, I can't think of one situation where I have spoken to Crystalize and at the end of the meeting she came back with any form of resentment that I had delivered her the information, regardless of the details. If you think that approaching your boss with information you believe needs attention then, please, by all means deliver that information to them. It is highly encouraged."

He continued to flip through his notes pertaining to the investigation.

Liftoff: "I obviously won't be giving any formal statements on the investigation other than lack of evidence didn't warrant anything but further investigation. Instead, let me tell you all a story. A man once came up to me stating he had information that would lead to the capture of fugitives with intentions the world could not tolerate. When confronting this man to provide proof of operations transpiring he instead provided evidence of people who wanted nothing to do with the supported organization. The evidence just proved that certain individuals didn't want to be fugitives and rebelled against those said to support this alleged cause."

Liftoff scratched his head.

Liftoff: "Since the only thing uncovered was citizens with no desire to do this, I had to ask myself, was I dealing with a man that wanted me to take care of the people that didn't support the operation or had this already crumbled? Could the person that was delivering this intelligence to me instead of wanted this ordeal to be successful? Why would this guy have confirmation, not to be confused with belief, of this happening to begin with and avoid releasing the necessary information required to put this whole thing in the dirt? I gave the man thanks for everything he provided me but I convinced myself that until more reputable facts could surface, there was nothing to act on."

Liftoff put the investigation report under his arm.

In fairness to whomever spoke about this; To clearly think one is innocent is silly.

My grandfather had wrote something down that he thought was incredibly obnoxious coming from someone involved.

Family Journal Entry #322

I had just said something incredibly truthful somewhere to what, one wasn't favored for doing so. I will take my punishment and be done with it. Things happen, but this time? They happened for the better. I see a much brighter future for the country after the removal of several key members of the mob. I wish I would be able to continue, but it seems my life will come to an end soon.

Family Journal Entry #324

I'm still alive, barely. I've been up a long time trying to help my family, but as our family head, Dexter, and the right hand man, Paul, had left to go discuss business, I overheard a couple of associates speaking. It made me think of how incredibly stupid one is.

<Morte_Rossa> Now is when no one can advance because they just get killed before they get a gun big enough to do any damage.

<ThinkinOutLoud> the sun burns

<Morte_Rossa> but oh well.

Did she say "No one can advance?" After the tyranical reign presented to the country for many months prior? What was she thinking? Was she joking? No way. Was she serious? I just can't get my head around it.. Maybe she's just an idiot. That must be it.

----Family Journal Ended. Death of Grandfather---