Ladies and gentlemen, I pose to you a question - has there ever been a stupider CL/RHM duo than Pine and Liftoff?

Before I get to why this Laurel and Hardy are as standout stupid, I want to ask you, dear people, who are the stupidest CLs and RHMs that have graced these shores?

I don't recall any leaders or right hands taking intelligence tests or publishing the results so I'd have to say, who the fuck knows and/or cares?

Cin was slightly disappointed that there was not much to this rant. No facts, no real reason to back the opinion so she did the only thing that she could think to do. She walked on over to the speaker and merely looked at them for a second.

"So what is your reasoning on why they are such a bad duo as a right hand and a leader? Is there something that they have done wrong? Was there a situation that you felt wasn't handled correctly?

I have to say without much to go on its hard to contribute to a discussion. If this is merely a ploy to shame, well information is beneficial when seeking out some feedback from the community. Not to mention I am sure there was a better way to go about this."

Well, let us imagine a scenario whereby an out of work thug, short of money, is wandering the Streets of Philly.  Suddenly, the alleged leaders of an organised crime family approach and ask if I have seen an attempt on the life of Pine.  Well, the thug thinks, this could work out well.  Maybe I have, says the thug, but I'd want paid.  Make me an offer.  OK, says the rich gangleader, how about $50M?  OK, says the thug, but give me half up front.  OK, here, says Pine.  The thug can't believe his luck, he puts the money in a trust fund for his son and runs...

Your scenario leaves a lot of question and to be honest doesn't really seem like something that would really happen. Of course I could be wrong but I have a hard time seeing an out of work gangster getting that large of a sum from an established leader. Although from the other side it seems like the out of work thug was attempting to scam money off of a leader because maybe they didn't see anything and there was never a guarantee.

Strange scenario to me. Could be true but I wonder if it really is.

I do have yet to see why this would make him a bad leader or Liftoff a bad Right Hand in this case. Surely attempting to get information on a  wack attempt seems like a good idea?

I'm sure Pine and Liftoff will confirm this

Well, DoctorBoom, eloquently put - BUT, don't you think that only an absolute idiot would waste such an amount on an obvious scam?  I mean, the poor, hapless fucking dunces actually asked the thug if he'd seen an attack on Pine... 

Also, you have harbouring a Kuklinski, within your city.

This just seems like an overall ruse to grab some information on Pine and Liftoff, yet they are out here doing stuff that is important yet you're out here shouting throughout the streets attempting to call them out into your well, let's say biased complaining. I mean, come on now.

Okay Lexion, you're topic you brought up is that they are a bad leader and right hand duo. Even if they did send you money for the witness statement you are still not providing why that makes them so poor in the leadership skills. The only thing you are showing me is that they wanted to do everything in their power to find someone trying to kill Pine. I can't see that as bad.

So what else have you got? That is merely making you look like a scam artist since you stated your ancestor took the money and ran instead of giving them what they were looking for.

Cin, your love for Pine is touching, you're trying to deflect attention from his stupidity by highlighting your (or YOU'RE as you'd put it) own.

They are stupid because they didn't do due diligence, and then hauled Ma-Barker off for questioning, only to be fooled by his lies.

DoctorBoom - I'm sure you'll care about Kuku when you realise that he's a hand in one of your families... 

Checks that she is still a woman....is reassured!

Well of cause they would ask an unsponsored thug/gangster or what ever as they would not receive a mail from the leadership in place to know about the statement being requested.

Which just proves Pine and Liftoff where doing everything within there power to find the perpetrator of these attacks if what you are doing was to make them look foolish you have made it known to the masses that they will goto any lengths to find a ws.

So anyone within there wall shall feel blessed having leadership like that.

Lexion, with one hundred percent honesty what are you trying to prove right now? Are you just right now attempting to spoil efforts for Pine and Liftoff or was just some random rant?

You assume far too much. Love is not a word I would easily throw around and it only goes to show that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

You brought up a discussion and have yet to prove it. I am just questioning what little you have decided to give and how it does not show your point at all. So instead of giving us some information that goes with your opinion you decide to try an assumption?

Well if you have nothing else that you could possibly add then why would you bother bringing this up? Surely you wanted others to name and shame their leaders or other leaders in our community which is something most people know isn't very good for business.

I'd say you should drop your fascination with Pine and Liftoff and perhaps try to become a productive member who trains in whatever area interests them whether its street speaking, earning something through deals with the local dealers or whatever it may be that strikes your fancy. Holding onto gripes isn't going to help you, but rather hurt you.

Jesus, Sasha, are you high or just really fucking stupid?  For fuck's sake man, listen to what you just said, stop self-harming with sheer embarrassing, and come back when you can string a fucking sentence together, you grotesque freakshow.

Madara chooses to ignore the assertions about Pine and his right hand and instead decides to focus on the question posed shortly after.

After not much thought at all Madara remembers a few pages of ancestral journals he'd scanned before deciding if the criminal life was for him.

The son of "queenie" had been shocked by extremely poor decision making skills she had. Knowing the absolute jinx of the then called "Darling"s, that generation was a captain in the British army before becoming a criminal in the land of opportunity still allowed him work for her.

Despite the atrocious track record of getting everyone killed just by gracing them with their presence queenie appointed Cpt_Darling right hand, less than an hour later the entire family, district and city lay in smoke and ashes. 

Madara shakes his head disapprovingly

At the moment I can't think of many monumentally retarded crew leaders to mention, although I'm sure as soon as I walk away to continue robbing old biddies of their pensions some will pop-up in my head.

It's a bit of a shame the pine and right hand thing had to be brought up in this topic, other wise it would have been a more enjoyable topic of discussion for all, I'm sure.

Not really sure this was worth the $5M that was requested a few days back. 

I know every once in a while we need to have a joker out in the street or someone to ruffle feathers but it genuinely disappoints me to see the same bloodlines doing the same shit over and over. Especially when they could put their energy in to being much more within this world than the latest running joke.