Thus the entire point of permanent crew leaders providing sponsors to the container crews was mentioned Chibs.

I'd like to point you to BobbyMunson's post regarding that. He points out exactly what is wrong with this idea for new families and I feel no need to post the same stuff over and over again.

I never once said this was a bad idea. Believe it or not, we are giving it an effort to work, and we are saying what we don't like about it. That's actually what I did in my last post - there is no limit to how soon you can give feedback, right?

But quite frankly Otiag, you are right with one thing. I don't know how it's working and I am indeed judging from the outside. Why? Because I haven't had any experience with a container crew, leader, or member from one. I can, however, use my eyes and general knowledge of the game to make educated guesses.

I'm not sure where you're heading with the "house looks better" part though. If anything, I'm saying the container crews look better than my own. That awesome IWF and immunity is pretty sweet, wouldn't you say? I would love to see the inside of one to give you a proper opinion on them, but I can't do so without leaving my current family, and that isn't going to happen. This is the best I can do.

For the record, I wasn't generalizing any container crews - just sharing what I saw and how that could potentially hurt us. Nothing more.

Cheers for your response, though. Much appreciated!

From a new old head point of view for what it is worth this is a unique situation on here....I really deliberated over the choice to become part of a container crew but wanted to experience something new and develop in real time with this thing of ours..

My personal experience so far is that most of the post war relatives have been taken care of but we have a lot of newbies - I agree with a previous comment made that we would loose these potential new lives on here if they join and are not able to find a family and having no prior knowledge of the circumstances most would likely leave. I think there are a few perspectives here, some short term and some longer term and some from an overall game longevity view.

Most know we die here eventually - those that have been around a while know people so kin return and send a few mails and get sorted...for newbies this is not the case.

Right now I am busy training very clearly new people on here and this can only be a good thing.

I'll elaborate on the house looks better bit, which was more or less a "Don't judge a book by its cover" thing. Ie The house might look really nice in comparison to yours on the outside... but inside its a trash heap with trash all over the place, holes in the walls, torn up furniture broken tvs etc. Just a junk pit... You wouldn't know this by looking at the outside though. Or another phrase commonly used "The grass is always greener on the other side."

And lets not forget the invulnerability is only persistent while the crew is alive. As soon as Squishy ends a container crew, the cl of that crew can be freely wacked, just like anyone else in the game. I think you guys are making the negatives you perceive a bit TOO big in comparison to what they actually are. An understandable mistake for someone looking in from the outside, which is why I specifically made a mobmail out to every CL this evening urging you guys to come to us. We are ready and willing to assist you gents in filling your crews in whatever way we can. We don't require you to send a sponsor, we can work it out to find another means to get you the members you want. If all goes well, container crews will live for maybe another 3 weeks and then be gone as real crews fill the void that container crews are currently filling.

And as I said in irc, if some cl actually manages to make a god tier cannon in that time frame... they deserve it, more power to them. They coulda done the same thing right under your nose in your own crew without the invulnerability. All we have to do to prove that is look back at our history and some of the rogues that have popped up. Pika for example in recent history.

tl;dr:

If you can't send a sponsor, come talk, we'll work something out to help you out with getting members from container crews. We're here to facilitate the transition, not hold members from you guys. Communication is a 2 way street, not a 1 way. We shouldn't expect you to do all the work, don't expect us to either. Lets give this thing a good run from start to finish, and then discuss how it went afterwards, not burn it to the ground 1 day into it.

Fair enough, Otiag, fair enough. I can't disagree with anything you just said. It's a part of the game whether we like it or not, and we'll have to get used to it and find a way to make it work. Really only wanted to share my thoughts on this originally, not turn it into a debate of sorts. Funny how things turn out.

I'd also like to say, I agree with Tellurium. There's more than one perspective on the situation, and to be fair, we're the first permanent family to set up since this whole thing started. It's one of those times when you're trying to figure out how to make things work, find a good system, etc. All in due time, I suppose.

It's nice to see just how unified your container crew is, all uppers coming out here and sharing some words. Kudos for that!

Bobby, if anyone you are talking to goes to a temp crew, talk to the temp crew, and also the person. Let them know they joined a container crew that is meant only to hold them till they find a permanent home. When I contact people in regards to jobs, I always let them know right away that my current crew is a container crew meant to hold them only temporarily. I never give anyone the impression we are a permanent crew or that they should look to live here permanently. That is not the purpose of these crews at all. Don't give up on the person you where talking to just because they joined a container crew bud, keep up the conversation and they can quickly be recruited into your own crew with no hassles at all.

It works exactly like you said Trinity. The sponsors from other cities that are within the container crew take their sponsored members back to their family. No questions, no complaints, no arguements or grudges. We're not here to pick fights, we're here to facilitate new players into a lasting family, and help then learn and enjoy the game we all love.

Considering my container crew "sponsor" has a family of 20 and is from a family with two spaces, not sure how the maths works for that one Otiag. 

And what happens if the person that a current CL wants to auth is one of the container crew CLs? Do they just get to take their whole container crew with them? So the container crew CL gets whatever perks you hand out to them for volunteering to do this plus a head start establishing their crew, plus this time under immunity to let them build and get their family set up.

And how long do we let the container crews linger? Where's the pressure on the current CLs to auth members? What happens when someone gets auth'd and people don't want to leave their container crews? At what point will they be forced to find a new home? 

While these are valid concerns, you do realize it's been barely 3 days now right? 

And at no point did I say "it's been long enough already!" I'm simply asking what I think is a very valid question. 

I should add the perks afforded to the CLs of container crews only last while the crew does. So NO the container CLs do NOT get to be authed into a new crew with invulnerability. They will be shootable just like every other player and CL in the game when the container crew ends.

Thank you Squishy

Perhaps those crew leaders got busy? Did you try approaching in a friendly manner? I mean in this thread you have attacked them constantly. Give them some credit, they are probably fielding a lot of mails at this point. You could always try mailing them again, perhaps they missed it?

As far as sending a list goes, that would get awfully tedious. Have you tried the streets? Or keeping an eye out on the list? I know you say its a lot of work but it takes nothing to do a quick browse on the names you aren't entirely familiar with and just glancing to see if they are sponsored by the crew. Sometimes you have to put in the work.

Heaven forbid you should have to do an "enormous" amount of extra work to find suitable family members for your outfit, makes me wonder what kind of effort you'd actually put in once they are in your family if this is the case.

All your complaining about "member starved crews" is reflecting very badly on your crew leader, just focus on those you currently have if you're struggling to recruit instead of whining. 

I feel pretty unloved I haven't been approached to join your family BobbyMunson, perhaps it's for the best though.