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| Regarding the downfall of Mr. Evolve & Ms. Payne | Started by: RobOakheart on Oct 09, '16 12:28 |
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Let's be honest. It's been a shit weekend for everyone. We're here on a sunday morning, dawn breaks and we see broken dreams floating down the street in streams of blood. Many good people died. There is no one who gained anything this weekend. I will now try and provide insight in the reasoning behind the removal of Mr. Evolve and Ms. OpheliaPayne. 4 weeks ago The past 4 weeks The past weekend The murder of AnomanderRake The activity of Don Rake The murder of the families I'll admit that we should've kept those associates that slept alive. That was uncalled for and I take blame for that. The line Debate |
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| All of you need hugs. Every single last one of you needs a loving hug. It will make you feel better about the unfortunate showing of bloof lust that this world has seen over the weekend. I have cleared my schedule and started to recruit my hugger faithful to assist in this healing process. | |
| Reply by: Bayley at Oct 09, '16 12:34 | |
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I respect your accepting the blame openly and honestly. I have no qualms with errors in judgement, provided the parties in question hold their hands aloft and accept the responsibility of their actions. Given the circumstances, it was a decision that I remain opposed to, but I can appreciate the reasons it was taken. Fair play to you Oakheart. |
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| Reply by: Lmao at Oct 09, '16 12:52 | |
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Interesting. Danica pushes off from the slightly damp wall she was leaning against, now that the New York Don was finished. It's not often that the explanation from the "winning" side matches up with the explanation from those on the other side, no matter how childishly the other side tries to explain itself. Come to think of it, it's also a refreshing change. As one who's mother was gunned down on her way home, ignorant of the events surrounding the brief bit of chaos, I can only say it's disappointing. Broken dreams indeed. That you have some regret towards the deaths of those who were sleeping is appreciated, even if it doesn't really matter. The dead are still dead, no matter what we may feel afterwards. The reasoning behind taking those shots were sound and that's what truly matters. If anything, that bullet saved her from having to make an uncomfortable choice. Between remaining loyal to someone who was overreaching their grasp and unwilling to communicate or sitting out and dishonoring her blood oath. She tucks a few strands of loose hair behind her ear. It seems to me that this was a clash between two differing views on how to move forward after Don Borya's retirement. That in mind, I hope that there are attempts to have communication be of paramount importance in the future. All this shooting is, in the end, bad for business and Our Thing is a business. Not kingdoms, vying for ephemeral control over miles of pavement and steel. Something that seems to be forgotten when it comes to tension between families. |
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| Reply by: Danica at Oct 09, '16 13:06 | |
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| It's over now and there isn't much use banging my heads about it but I keep seeing you and Gato talking about change and how you want to make things different. So far the only change that I've seen has been Gato's failed attempts with the Burroughs that everyone knew was going to go down in flames. If you really want to preach about these things and have your voices heard then having some success on your plans is vital. | |
| Reply by: HuntMike at Oct 09, '16 13:09 | |
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Thank you very much Don Oakheart for the explanation and transparency in these matters. My condolences goes out to the kin of all of the fallen. HuntMike, is an attempt at change not at least just that? Something was attempted, although it might not have seen the desired results which did not really surprise us at all since we seen an explosion of families set up across the country which starved them all of new blood. But at least he tried, so why are you judging on an attempt at change? I'm sure now he will look forward and try something else, much like anyone has done when they met failure. You don't just give up or you will get no where in life and accomplish very little. Many of the best inventions were the results of thousands of failures and even complete mistakes. I'm not sure if you expect him to just give up on making the changes he so desires as you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion, but if that is the case you will just be back next week with more complaints I'm sure that he hasn't tried enough. As the late Winston Churchill stated himself and I quote "success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." |
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| Reply by: BobbyMunson at Oct 09, '16 13:33 | |
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| When it's the same idea that's been tried and failed over and over through the years I do feel ok judging this one. He thought he would be the one to,make it,work and he failed. When they try something innovative I'll be the first to give kudos. | |
| Reply by: HuntMike at Oct 09, '16 13:42 | |
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A harsh view, HuntMike. I think the boroughs were a good idea and with the other cities open there just weren't enough people to see out it's success. Personally I'd have liked to see it as a continuous thing but alas, Godfather Gato has ceased this particular project. There is change here, in fact the deaths explained here were a result of this change. Ophelia and Evolve were deemed as unprotected due to their lack of contribution to the community (as viewed by the powers that be) and they took out a protected mobster, Anomander. In another time, the death of Don Anomander wouldn't have turned many heads but due to the protected status he held it meant that those who agree to this system had to uphold it's values. |
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| Reply by: FitzChivalry at Oct 09, '16 13:46 | |
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So trying something that has failed in the past, even though it has a different approach on it is wrong? I sure am glad Mr. Edison didn't take your approach or I would never see my wife's tits at night when I'm permitted to have my fun, yes that's the only time this activity is permitted. Please don't judge me. |
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| Reply by: BobbyMunson at Oct 09, '16 13:48 | |
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Mr Hunt we all know that open cities are nothing new and making them work for a short time until someone claims the city is hard enough to monitor and organise. But leaving cities open indefinitely is a slightly new stance do you not concede? Imagine a world where no one is ever authed. People have absolute freedom! Isn't that slightly different? Failure or success, original or a slight deviant from the norm, shouldn't we be congratulating this man at least for trying ANYTHING other than the norm that we have circulated around and around in for what 10? 15 years?! |
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| Reply by: SirMixAlot at Oct 09, '16 13:51 | |
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The Mixer chuckles to himself at Bobby's comments: Very funny |
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| Reply by: SirMixAlot at Oct 09, '16 13:53 | |
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It's been a rough week in general between events in Philly and Detroit, when so many people were looking with so much hope that all was going well sod's law comes and kicks and things go wrong. The hope was the free cities and the chance to build would bring the best of society out and both Senza and I have enjoyed sending people out in the hope it builds; sadly it's had mixed results. |
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| Reply by: Karen at Oct 09, '16 14:26 | |
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Thank you Mr Oakheart for explaining this in the streets, I do have one question though. What is to be of Detroit now after all that's just transpired? Reading through it seemed like your original plan is similar to what we see in the free cities. Does that mean now that Detroit real-estate is now a part of the free city project with the loss of Don Rake and retirement of Don Borya, or will Hoolz be allowed to step up the plate and try to succeed he's predecessors? I only ask as nothing was clearly stated as of what will become of the city and I don't want to be one to assume. |
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| Reply by: TonyCosta at Oct 09, '16 14:55 | |
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| Don Anomander spent millions of his own personal money to buy me and a few other individuals off the hitlist. This happened the day before his murder and shows what great character and care he had for his crew and members of Detroit. Don Anomander, you will be missed. | |
| Reply by: Sarah at Oct 09, '16 15:21 | |
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Being honest here, anytime you have a city where you have the leader retire.. No explanation (except to a handful of people I guess) or heads up.. Followed by a leader killing another within the city.. You might as well raise the "kill me now" flag. It would be unreasonable to think the surrounding cities would not intervene when the city goes to Hell in a weekend.. Now with the insight RobOakhart has provided on the situation just adds to the dynamic of it. I feel no ill will towards the attackers, nor did my father. He was more or less expecting his demise. |
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| Reply by: Kill_The_Rainbow at Oct 09, '16 15:59 | |
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RobOakheart, I'd like to thank you for stepping up and putting yourself in the firing line. People will criticise you for your actions but you know as well as I do, you can't please everybody. Looking at the whole situation as an outsider, I can see why this needed to happen. Over the course of two days we saw Detroit lose Borya and AnomanderRake, two huge characters from the city. After the surprising exit of Borya a power move was always on the cards from somebody, I was just surprised to see it so soon. Taking out AnomanderRake without the agreement of all parties was a bold move. I would be disappointed to think that some kind of retaliation wasn't expected. The dust will settle, people will complain, people will move on. This is ultimately the world we live in, action will always provoke reaction. |
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| Reply by: Paranoid at Oct 09, '16 16:35 | |
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Hawkeye stumbles across Robs Speech after a long night on the gin martinis and listens to the whole speech and the other persons of interest including his own Trusted Crew leader Karen he waits until there is no one queuing up to talk and decides to put fourth his own comments on the speech he sips his martini and steps forward. "Firstly there has been few and far between times since anyone has come to the streets and explained a death or removal of power the regime before this was simply why should we let the masses know why anyone was killed or removed which led to plenty of tittering and bullshitting in coffee-shops as to why something happened people always talk this we know" Hawkeye sips his Martini and chews the Olive "I was talking to Don Rob only hours before saying how I liked the changes and now speeches and discussions are welcomed more importantly he has thrown this to the masses for us to discuss openly weather you believe his reasons or not this is a welcome comeback for me as its always very interesting reading for anyone who was involved or not involved and gives the chance to see how opinions are projected, as for the recent deaths and reasons I just patched up the wounded and as a doctor tried not to pick any sides" |
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| Reply by: Hawkeye_Pierce at Oct 09, '16 16:36 | |
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Signore Costa, Detroit stood as a strong, able city which assisted with any matters that required a mutual decision to be made. I will make a further announcement in the coming hours regarding the future of Motor City. |
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| Reply by: ChristianGato at Oct 09, '16 17:24 | |
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| Thank you Mr Gato for replying and I look forward to hearing your announcement. | |
| Reply by: TonyCosta at Oct 09, '16 17:51 | |
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Sweet New York Burroughs part duex Gato strikes back |
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| Reply by: HuntMike at Oct 09, '16 18:32 | |
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