Hi dusty, you're correct, first and foremost the whole process starts with great and well informed recruitment. It has too. We have some very well versed members of this society that do this extremely well others not so much. Maybe its an educational process from the current crew leaders so they teach their respective recruiters the best practice for their family. So maybe crew leaders have that responsibility to arm those who can recruit with the tools that best explain who that specific family operates. So instead of letting your recruiters just recruit the way they want, maybe put some frame work in place that is respective and true to that family. So this way, the prospective associate at least knows who that crew leader operates, am i making sense? im not sure im coming across how i mean it too. 

To be honest, even if each crew leader implements something like this, we all know that its not going to work 100% of the time. So i suppose this suggestion offers the "new" associate the chance to think again. Maybe, we could, like you said, work these two ideas in conjunction with each other.

so,  A crew leader has a rough guideline of who he wants his sponsor men to recruit, or gives them specific things that he would want new recruits to know.  A recruit buys into it and joins. the recruit finds out that basically his new crew isnt as advertised and can prove as such, maybe then the chance to move comes into play. I think maybe this way it covers a lot of basis, best of both worlds? 

I really hope ive explained that correctly, sometimes it doesnt come out as it sounds in my head.

Well from my point of view and i try and get as much from a recruit during the process as possible to tailor any possible training to their weaknesses.   For those more experienced we can stand off a bit and target questions as they arise but the truth is there is always going to be elements who come and just doesn't like how the criminal underwold works, so go back to working a regular job outside our business.

Have seen some start off with gusto then dissapear or i have a near 250 day old earner.  The truth is as much as you try competitions, involvement, training and communication you may gain 3 and lose 1 along the way.   Some come and go laying under cover so the parole officer doesn't catch up the them, others just serve as an inspiration.

As much as you can train a sponsor or recruit, sometimes people will hide their past coz of mis-trust

I like what you have both said. It makes sense that they would both be joined together in some sort of way. Not always the recruiters fault as there are so many factors that could be seen at a much later date then just from that initial conversation.

If the recruitment process was upped, and associates were well informed then the likelihood of transfer could be much smaller.  Karen makes some good points that sometimes steam just runs out or for whatever reason their intentions may not always be true from the start.  Either way tying the tie could be a benefit for all parties in some degree.

I think this discussion has been quite productive. I wonder if anyone else has anything they'd like to share.

Why are people in rank ignoring a street thugs thoughts?

Who is being ignored?

Harper, may I ask what questions you think would help improve recruitment?

As far as teaching goes, I believe everyone has the right to learn better whether they work for you or not. I am not saying that anyone wants to teach people so that they can leave their family. I choose to look at it that I have taken the time to hopefully teach someone a better way of doing things. A better attitude for them to want to stay in our community regardless of whom they work for. We know that each person teaches different things. Some have stronger strengths in certain fields of knowledge.

I don't have to like it if I were someone teaching others but it does not mean I will feel it is a waste of my time.

Harper, fair enough. That is how you feel but I stand a little different on it. 

Thank you for your time and sharing your thoughts with me.