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How Far? Started by: Symfora on Nov 20, '16 18:52

Symfora had noticed a young woman following her around. Perhaps it was paranoia but given the lengths that she travelled it hardly seemed so. It got her thinking and soon she found herself on the streets speaking to a crowd of people.

Have you ever hated someone so much you would push anything aside just to put a bullet in their head?

My question is how far are you willing to let your grudges go? Do you let your hatred control you and your actions?

We see some interesting options in our community. The more common one is bloodlining. Bloodlining is a practice that the leaders claim to abhor and yet do anyways. So this is always a very viable option in our community. This is perhaps the most extreme one.

Next is holding someone back. Perhaps not from their ranks but from anything they could possibly work for should they chose to. This one most people don't acknowledge but it does happen.

Then we have following someone around and hoping that they will be around long enough for you to shoot them. Some will take the hit to their gun if they want it that badly. Although that is generally frowned upon without a valid reason.

The last option is that hate does not rule you. You have the ability to drop it as soon as someone pays the ultimate price. Their line is not harassed or condemn. This is a rare thing.

Personally, my hatred does not exist. In order to hate someone I have to care about them in some sort of way and well, that just won't happen. So how far does yours go?

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Pondering the question as he stared at a sheet with the photos of a few people. All of the photos had small pin holes from throwing darts at them daily and there was big red x's through a copy of the other photos of previous enemies. Striphe had been drinking whiskey all night straight and he had been at the dice table throwing around billions of dollars so he was tired but satisfied by his take from the day

I cant really call it hate but there are people in this world who have earned a casket of course, but then when you look at the big picture of everything we are trying to accomplish both as a society and as a single person you must step back and try to let it go. A lot of us have the money and means to carry out hatred and violence but we do not. Restraint and moving on can be a great things as I have enemies turn into friends.. but then again that goes both ways as friends can turn into enemies.

I have met a lot of mobsters during my days on these streets and although there are some people previously or "bloodlines" that are not my favorite but I treat everyone the same until you cross that line as we all deserve that chance as people do change.

He threw a pair of dice into the corner and watched at he snake eyes appeared. He laughed a bit and took another drink of whiskey while polishing his gun with a soft rag. He had a table full of guns and a stack of cash next to him so high he could not see the tv playing in the other part of the room.

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Carlos takes a quick sip from his silver flask then places the cap back on the flask just before tucking it back into his inner pocket of his suit.

I know what your talking about Symfora. I've read my grandfathers notes and I recall his stories on many cases like you so tactfully describe. My opinion is the same as StripheGotti I will give everyone a chance to redeem themselves or hang themselves. Everyone makes a choice right, wrong or indifferent everyone does and those choices without all the facts do cause a lot of pain and anger. Sometimes you can never recover from those mistakes. But both parties lose out. The city could benefit from the collective ideas of those frozen out because of there past. The offender never gets the chance to show there skills and help their family reach there full potential. The offender my try to redeem themselves but to what extent must they go. So what do we do? I wish I had the answer. Each person must decide what is best to forgive or to punish to heal or hide. In that same manner if you do follow your leadership and do what's they seem as loyalty then others call you a suck up. You cant win without putting something on the line. I guess its true there is a thin line between love and hate.

Carlos shakes his head as he turns to head home while pulling out his flask once more.
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*flitting between jobs, Tammy catches ear of a discussion. She was keen to build her experience in this area, so thought it a good idea to try and participate.*

"Miss Symfora, if Im understandin' ye right, you're suggestin' 'dat 'dere are some who will hunt people from mother ta daughter/father ta son, based on 'deir previous relationship."

"In a way, Im understandin' how 'dat can happen, if someone has a track record 'dat suggests 'deir gonna feck up, but in 'other worlds' I've been sure ta play out me role as a unique person, nottin' more. So it's difficult for me ta understand tha reasons a person would be hunted.

For me it all comes down ta how person is treated. Treat a person like a child an 'dey will behave like one. If 'dey just wanna watch tha world burn, 'den 'dey need ta learn live wit' 'dose decisions."
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Bloodlining is a practice that the leaders claim to abhor and yet do anyways.

Examples of the current leadership doing this please? Or please ensure to mention that when you speak so vaguely of leaders, that you speak of people from the past that Symfora has nothing to do with.

My question is how far are you willing to let your grudges go? Do you let your hatred control you and your actions?

I personally dont hold grudges. I don't see the point really. One of my crew annoyingly jokes that I'm too nice, which is simply because I more often than not go out my way to be nice, even if I may dislike a person. To me its not about being nice, its about showing respect. Even if I dont like a person, they'll have my respect until they do something to lose it. 

Next is holding someone back. Perhaps not from their ranks but from anything they could possibly work for should they chose to. This one most people don't acknowledge but it does happen.

Being a bit vague again here. Was there a particular instance you were aware of? Or are we speaking of something thats happend in the distant past? I of course have heard stories in the past of people being prevented from taking on certain positions simply because it could paint a target on the back of that leader/district/city if they allow a certain person take that position. 

 

The last option is that hate does not rule you. You have the ability to drop it as soon as someone pays the ultimate price. Their line is not harassed or condemn. This is a rare thing.

Actually, considering the amount of mafioso around, I would say its the opposite of rare. Rare are the people that continue to allow feuds/grudges to stem for more than one next of kin. There are some even rarer people that keep such feuds documented and pass them down from children to children and harbour ill feeling towards these people regardless of knowing nothing about that person, the hatred is known to them only because of the actions of their great-great-great-etc-Grandfather/Mother and this is something Symfora, that you are guilty of.

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Just because I have nothing to do with something does not mean I do not know of it's existence in our community. To suggest that would mean that I cannot listen and that would be incorrect. If you have heard of instances of things occurring, then surely so have others? So it would not be so far fetched that I myself have heard of such things in my short existence in this community.

As far as my own guilt, I am sure there are plenty that I am guilty of a drug deal here or there most certainly. And raising a topic for discussion.

I do appreciate your views StripheGotti, TammyDeLuca, and Carlos-Escobar. Thank you for sharing them. 

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So just going to skip over me pointing out the fact that your guilty of the very topic your discussing?

Because, you are in a perfect position to enlighten everyone on the topic at hand as you do exactly that which I mentioned above to a number of people, treat them differently because of their bloodlines, yet you offered no insight to the reasons why someone does it?

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Insight as to why people in general will treat another human being differently due to bloodline. People are fickle, they hate in others what they hate in themselves. Instead of seeking change within they attack those that have traits they do not like in themselves, making themselves vindicated or purged of what they despise because they attacked  it in another being.

We forget we are just animals.

Just my humble opinion.

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Human sits back and listens to the opions of others and ponders the question at hand. Listening closely to the words being uttered, Human slowly approaches those gathered.

 

Good day.. I can not honestly agree that we do it due to our resentment of our own actions or self. I believe we do it due to differences. People in general dislike what is not familiar to them or because they do not understand. They become creatures of habit and often distrust or dislike that which is very different.

 

 Now with that said we are also creatures that are/or can be resentful and vengeful against wrongs we feel have been done to us. Some can even feel they thrive from it and become more driven.

 

I do agree however to some extent we can not hate that which we care about... But we can most definitely grow to hate or loathe someone or something far more then we ever did care about them. Thus causing a spark of darkness far greater then the care that once was given.

 

Looking back I'd honestly say though it takes a lot more energy to truly hate then it does to not just give two shits.. 

 

Everyone is guilty at some point of hate or dislike or something of the sorts.. Were after all... All human.

 

Giving a small wink to those about, Human slowly slunk back into the crowd.

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As he wandered through the streets of New York, checking in on his various operations and reminicing about a journal entry left to him that ebbed of fond memories, he couldn't help but notice a young woman speaking in the street, one that bore a striking resemblance to the late Dizzi. After hearing what she had to say, he broke his silence.

I would like to first thank Slash for so elegantly pointing out everything wrong here. Thank you sir, and I echo our sentiments. 

As it pertains to Ms. Symfora, you and your lineage often speak of bloodlining, of holding grudges, being held back, whine whine whine. Your lineage has had a fair amount of success, has it not? If you could channel your rage, control it, I'm sure you could do great things with this lifetime as well. I don't believe there is a crew leader anywhere that would kill you, or not give you a fair shot, if you could let go of your grudges. Let go of the past. A great, wise, man once told me "We can't allow our hearts to be louder than our reason." I believe that is what is going on here. 

There is no bloodlining. You can have a life, and chances, should you seek them. 

There is no being held back, if you put in the effort and build trust, and be the best person you can be. Everyone has an equal chance, if they choose to take it.

There is no shadowy figure following most around. Perhaps if you took the advice of the Gods and accepted a family of your own within the first 24-48 hours, the shadowy vultures would not begin to swarm. 

Hate ruling you. Hah. You claim to have no hatred, no care. Are you playin us for fools? Nothing you, nor your lineage has spewed since the death of RobOakheart could back this up. All I've heard is baseless accusations and hatred. Like, seriously? Really?

Oblivion shakes his head from side to side, then steps away.

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Bloodlining is common? Please provide examples as I haven't noticed it in awhile, I think it would be fairly easy to take notice of these events since it is the repeated killing of the same individuals bloodline which just hasn't been happening.
I try my best not to hold grudges and I've believe I have been pretty successful st it myself, I tend to not even care enough to hold them. I have had many heated disputes with many members of the community, very few happen time and time again as many of them are able to come back with a fresh face and fresh outlook. There are a few that come back time and time again though with the same ideals, same characteristics, outlooks and personality of their mothers and fathers that tend to always clash with others however.
Not really understanding what the problem is with following a possible target around the country. Many people plan trips across the country everyday to keep training their gun. If someone sees a target that is coming up why would they not try and get it? Unless you believe this is someone that is above others and doesn't deserve to be shot as they mope around the country not contributing to our society, which would confuse the hell out of me.
Not really sure why I responded to these questions you have brought forth, they're not original in any way whatsoever and you have brought nothing additional to add to what has been brought up for discussion countless times. Most of it doesn't even pertain to our current times either. It's like you're living in the distant past or something and dragging old tales up for whatever reason. I know your took the cowards way out and shot yourself, but I see your next of kin out and about already. And I've heard they are already disrespecting a few leaders in private for things they weren't even alive to witness. It's funny how you're allowed to dredge up the history and hold grudges on it, but your lines entire existence has a massive problem when someone does the same thing to you, even if it is completely relevant to the topics at hand.
Oblivion really hit the nail on the head with every word he has said, I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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