BrotherHec listens to Explosion share his thoughts.

a vast majority of crew leaders feel they deserve something from people outside their city.

what gives you the idea that any crew leader feels they deserve something from people outside their city? Have leaders publicly come out and informed others they feel they are deserving of something? Have leaders come to you privately to discuss their frustrations that they are not receiving that special something from other people? What is that special something Explosion? Is it respect in the streets? 

You said respect is earned not given and honestly the vast majority of crew leaders do deserve respect because they earned their positions. This isn't even something worth debating really. It's a very simple procedure. 

Im not here to throw dirt on anyone

I found this laughable. You just come out and insult Bobby, the leader of your city, and talk about how rude he is. I'm curious if your reason in coming out was not to throw dirt on Bobby then why did you come out? Perhaps if you feel he was disrespectful it may be best to engage him first before you explode all over the streets. 

You also threw dirt on a "Vast Majority" of crew leaders by saying they feel they deserve something. 

The last thing I want to understand from you is what respect means to you and how one earns respect from you. Apparently we as a community of organized criminals who regularly kill durdens, mug each other, and try to make the most out of our time here have yet to earn your respect. So how does one obtain such a gift?

You said respect is earned not given and honestly the vast majority of crew leaders do deserve respect because they earned their positions. This isn't even something worth debating really. It's a very simple procedure. 

how did the vast majority earn there position, when most have been Crewleaders since free cities where established. You literally had to ask your CL if you could setup and even then they could not say no, but only give advice. 

You also threw dirt on a "Vast Majority" of crew leaders by saying they feel they deserve something. 

 Yes i did indeed, there are a CL's who are around who give no contribution  to the community , did they earn there spot? In your opinion you would say so. How, i dont understand really but that is the great thing you are entitled to your own opinion.

As far as the topic on Bobby i dont see how that affects you at all, so an explanation is not needed. 

Explosion! I didn't expect you to respond. I actually feared I was not respected enough by you and so you wouldn't have spoken with me. 

The vast majority did not earn their positions by being going to a free city but just under half of the current crew leaders did. Even if all the crew leaders earned their positions through free cities that doesn't mean they don't deserve respect. 

Whats confusing about you admitting to throwing dirt on crew leaders is just moments ago you told Daniella you did not come out here to throw dirt on anyone. But you throw dirt on what in your mind is a "vast majority" of crew leaders.

When you say there are crew leaders who give no contribution to the community im curious as to how you actually know that to be the case. Take me for example, do you find me offering things to the greater community? For the benefit of others so they may grow and aspire to be happy mobsters? 

now as for the topic of Bobby, you can't come to the streets and publicly call someone out then when someone like oh I don't knoe me, counters your arguement you say you won't respond. You won't respond because you don't see how that effects me? 

Perhaps this is how it effects me: A young mans Father was gunned down and now he grows up all mad at the world so he decides to go out and spit about on current leaders or one leader. He throws "dirt" and speaks about how they don't earn his "respect" after his own three week involvement in organized crime. Then people start seeing other leaders as tyrants who don't deserve respect so people continually treat people like Bobby poorly. This begins to "effect" me because now I see leadership is not something respected anymore. I see it as something that others who can come out to the streets to ridicule and humiliate because they aren't deserving of their titles according to the three week old gangsters. Then my money starts falling because the people who work with me start agreeing with the young man who has such a difficult time forming sentences and they stop tributing because in their eyes I don't offer enough back to our beautifully mafia society. That's how it "affects" me.

Now that I have given you an answer hopefully me explosion you would provide me with one on the topic of bobby

What are you talking about, i am mad at no one, Stone has nothing to do with anything. Neither you are bobby shot my father, now you are just spewing useless things.Please remember, you hid out west the entire fight, and declined when my father asked for a duel. You may say as you like about me bieng as you are in power right now, but i could careless about your opinion on anything you are not apart of the chessboard in my eyes so to say. Again i dont need to explain what was said about bobby to you or anyone else. I am confused as to who you think you are and it is quite comical. Had bobby asked me for an explanation publicly i will assure you, it would be here.

Then my money starts falling because the people who work with me start agreeing with the young man who has such a difficult time forming sentences and they stop tributing because in their eyes I don't offer enough back to our beautifully mafia society. That's how it "affects" me.

 

You must be a shitty CL if your members are so easily swayed by a young man who has trouble forming sentences.

Oh I see what's happening here. 

Daniella laughs, shaking her head at the thought.

You want to push the limits is that it Explosion? Come out here and talk nonsense and throw dirt so that you can try and get Bobby or someone else to kill you. Because multiple people have asked for examples on a recent time when someone has come out on the streets to speak and been killed for it and yet an example hasn't been provided. Because there isn't one. So you're trying to create one for your friend is that it? 

Good luck with that Explosion.

Ah explosion...your father was stone? The man who tried to get one more kill before he died...I remember him. He was much more respectable than you seem to be. I think your father asked me to duel several times and unfortunately for him I declined. Does that make me a coward or just show his desperation? 

You are confused as to who I think I am and it's quite comical to you? Besides me trying to understand how confusing that sentence is im also confused as to why you care to know who I think I am. So let me go ahead and tell you a little bit about me. I'm about 6'2 I do mixed martial arts in my spare time, i dance better than most at weddings, have an amazing girlfriend who loves me, I put on a suit and lead a clan of mobsters who are trying desperately to create a better life, and my favorite food is chicken alfredo.

i hope the confusion is done! 

perhaps I am a shitty crew leader. I'm still sexy as hell.

BrotherHec poses

She tentatively interrupts the ongoing argument that has become more prevalent than the actual discussion at hand and addresses @Carlos_Escobar off to the side.

Sir, I think you are confused or misread what was said in reference to the size of our headquarters. You seem to be under the impression that we have agreed to lower our sizes. We did not agree that it was needed or worth the risks. We do not feel there is a need to shrink our HQs. Allow me to quote Space-pole"

• HQ size issues. 

There was a suggestion put forward that we make a conscious decision, as a community of Crew Leaders to drop HQ size to 30 members. The idea was that having a smaller HQ would offer more chance for new Crew Leaders thus offering more chances of progression. Questions were raised as to what would happen to the current crop of leaders that already have 40 members. Also a question on if there is real need for it. We all thought that that it was a decision that all crew leaders would need to buy into for it to be successful. Not everyone agreed on its merit and going forward, its not something that we NEED to do right now.

@Hec my father asked you to duel right after he killed Daniella mother. Please dont lie to the public. As far as bobby goes i have no issue with him and its a bit insane how you have came out to attack me Daniella as i have said again you are not in my city why are you worried about anything i say to bobby.

Does that make me a coward or just show his desperation? 

Desperation?  I figured id kill 2 birds in 1 hour.

What makes you a coward is, you staying out west majority of of the war, knocking off pros  instead of chasing down the opposing force, so much for that CL tittle

Kimberly i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, please help me figure it out.

Let me just clarify something, if people assume that I meant people were killed for what they said, that is incorrect. That is not what I said at all. People are all entitled to their own opinions, however, mine never stated that anyone was killed for speaking. Something not being safe does not automatically mean a death sentence. There are other ways for things to be unsafe.

Either way I received the clarification I needed and I thanked those that contributed to informing me. It helped and I appreciated it.

Explosion, you're right. Your father spent so much more time building his gun it wasn't worth the risk. So when he asked me to duel and allow a coin to decide who would shoot first my mind said ok let's think about this.

the thought process was long and grueling it went like this: This guy has nothing to live for any longer and him challenging me to a duel was his idea of trying to finish strong. I still held the regime and there wasn't anyone left to shoot. Now to say I hid out west is actually not true! I flew out west and didn't have the funds to go back and kill anyone. So no I wasn't lying to the public as I wasn't even addressing the public I was addressing you and I did not even lie to you. 

The thing is explosion, this isn't something we're bravado has to prove your worth. Unfortunately for you and New York brains proved our side to be the victor.

now you want to call me a coward, that's a complete jab at who I am as a person. So let me speak more about your father and speak about his bravery. When The Godfather's fell how quick was your father trying to save himself and create a truce? Sure you could make the arguement that he wanted to fight another day but let's be real, your father was the coward. He didn't go down with his leaders did he pal? Nah. Choosing to not accept a duel because one has a family and invested so much into them is one thing. Choosing not to duel cause you're scared you'll die is another.

You can't win against me. 

Veronia steps back away from the crowd, being wary of the sharpened daggers being thrown in the dissagreement between the three. Veronia looks at the list of bulletins outlined in the meeting and likes what she sees so far and decides to speak in asside.

"I hope to see what all the next meeting holds as far as information and progress towards everyone involved into the community. Please keep up the great work CL's and People of our wonderous cities!"

Veronia steps away and decides its time to find something to eat and call it a night.

 

Pardon me my forgiveness. I have a question for the future meeting: What about shooting mafiosi in their sleep, without giving them the opportunity to fight and prove themselves in awkward situations? Didn't seen that recently, after getting back to those shores, thanx god, and don't know about the recent rules about that... Shouldn't everyone beside the 3 top positions have the opportunity to defend themselves equally, if shit happens?

If I may take a stab at this, WoonDa -

Crewleaders care about their members. I think that sentiment speaks to every crewleader and hand that works on these shores.  It's fair to say that a heavy investment of time and effort goes into the work that's performed by each member, as you yourself may be aware of -  considering your rank.   

The notion of a fair fight - and the opportunity to defend yourself - is something that I'm sure all of us hope to have if and when the time comes.  It's an admirable sentiment.  But as a leader, it would be wholly irresponsible to put the lives of the members that built their organization in jeopardy just for the sake of offering a fair shake to people that are your enemies in a time of life and death - and I believe that's the way it always will be.  

A crewleader's members are the most important part of the organization - there's no leader without them.  And a wise crewleader will, at all costs, minimize risks to their family.   

I do understand the fact that most leaders do care for the lives of their family members. It is very noble to take all the precautions and necessary measures, if politics and alliance strategies do fail. To clarify myself a little, the inspiration of my thoughts came from a discussion with a mafioso who complained to constantly being killed in his sleep, and thus having lost the interest to remain on our shores, as I understood it.

Sure, power struggles, coups and regime changes do happen from time to time. It is normal for those in the top tier to expect that and plan those scenarios, as well as it is normal to seek power for those who have not it.

I was more thinking about situations when one middle class family kills all the members of another middle class family, from CL to the last Earner in their sleep, just because there were some tensions between the two leaders. So to follow on my line of thinking, why should people putting in quite some effort die just because of a relationship they didn't know about, and the evolution of which they weren't involved in? Maybe if there are issues of that kind, leaders should solve it between themselves in a duel, rather than taking the lives of so many people...

Im really trying not to dwell to much on this subject now, i think we have somewhat deviated off the projected course that this announcement was supposed to go. In saying that though, there is plenty of issues to get ones teeth into, more specifically the comments made today. Interestingly enough, there is so much subject matter here that it could be taking away from this corner and start a new debate in the opposite corner, should a person want too- Just some food for thought. 

Pardon me my forgiveness. I have a question for the future meeting: What about shooting mafiosi in their sleep, without giving them the opportunity to fight and prove themselves in awkward situations? Didn't seen that recently, after getting back to those shores, thanx god, and don't know about the recent rules about that... Shouldn't everyone beside the 3 top positions have the opportunity to defend themselves equally, if shit happens?

Again this is a scenario that we cant really set a solid line or bench mark when we go to war, its not as easy as that, sadly. I get your logic though, i think its aimed at retention and i agree, to a certain extent. The problem lies with the nature of war though. Sometimes calculated risks will be taken, other times certain cities can not afforded that luxury. Especially when planning a war. As of late we have seen more and more take-downs rather than all out wars, why? well for the exact reasoning above, retention and rebuilding. Take downs usually are a set of specific kills that the aggressors will do to neutralize any threat of a real retaliation and this usually lies with made men and above.  Lowe ranks are left. other times its not as simple, mostly when a city is classed as a power house. 

Also sometimes, as a city head, you have to reward your hitters, as ruthless as that might sound, sometimes in your best interest and the interest of YOUR organisation to feed the starving dogs. This when one might see a city scorched. Sadly this is sometimes just the nature of the beast. 

the realest answer to your question is this. The vast, and I do mean vast majority of those within our world care more about Amit notch on Theo gun than allowing people to live.
Don't believe what I'm saying, see the numerous scorched earth take downs we have witnessed over the past year or so.

The masses are blood thirsty. They demand blood, and in almost every scenario, they receive it.

 Falcon, its hard to disagree, in a  round about way people do care about notches and trophies but lets work out the ratio here of time that a crew leader works with their crew vs the time they are at war. One, in terms of length of time far outweighs the other. Day-to-day running of an organisation is focused around a Crew Leader appeasing and keeping their members happy. So on that logic Crew leaders have a much great focus on keeping their members happy a much greater amount of time than they do worrying about shooting everything that they can during a war. 

Its like comparing apples to pears, really. How you react and manage  your day-to-day running, is completely different  to a war scenario, especially when comparing what your members mean to you. 

Ok well I am going to stay away from some of the specifics here in terms of names and certain situations that I was not a party to - for my bit I will simply say that I do get the fog around the acceptability of killing those under made whilst they sleep. I also accept that for the most part we are throwing back to a Boom era that I hear all hope and see no longer exists.

I do though hear mixed messages to the community - when on the one hand we come from a CL meeting and make a differentiation based on made rank and above or below on transfer options to other crews / cities and also the same for rank when considering what is a 'proper' way to talk in the streets and the comsequences based on where you are held above or below made rank. I am not subscribing to these by the way merely making observations on what I have heard.

We have had times gone by where people would come to speak here just to be controversial and I certainly do not seek that at all however in this case I can see there is a very convieniently moveable line in certain sets of circumstances that refer to the rank of made and above or below it. In a war it might be argued that whilst that CL has yet to accept that member into the inner circle of trust and responsibility so has the crew member too in terms of total trust and loyality no matter what - so should they automatically go down whilst they sleep for belonging under an CL they have yet to sign in blood for - I think not. I do feel the current changes and general agreement of basic standards across the board from all CL's goes a long way to rectifying this but many may not of fully heard, understood or been of reassurance yet to others - this along with the detailed universal protection order details should hopefully add reassurances as time moves on and more evidence is shown that this is no longer the ways of this world....