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| Hey Midnight | Started by: MidnightCantLead on Feb 27, '17 15:03 |
| When someone joins you and tells you that hey, I'm not going to be able to put much time and effort into the family you are failing at starting and running, and then you accept it as okay and allow them in. You don't then turn around and tell them it's not okay that they don't pay taxes that they don't even owe since they havent made a fucking dollar. And how fucking hypocritical is that, how many families have you whored through on this life? All but your own family have you slept through your entire left. You were awake for a few weeks under Olympia when you were given a leadership position but when you were replace you fell right back to sleep. Not contributing fuck all, as usual. So unless it is in your own best interest you're a shit worker. BUT you expect the world from all your people, talk about a hypocrite. If you're wondering why they are shit under you, it's probably because everyone else is aware that you do the same for your own leaders unless of course you can complain and victimize yourself into a leadership position. How you ever attain this is beyond me since you can't be awake for more than a few hours before you are bitching to everyone that someone is picking on you or making fun of you. My god how terrifying it must be to be picked at in a business where we shoot at each other for next to nothing. Oh and let's not forget all the empty promises you tell your people as well about where their hard earned money goes too. You are aware that all your people can see the status of the protection you provide them right? If you're unsure of what that protection is, it would be the fortifications or the lack of fortifications you don't provide them. Maybe if you, being a leader showed some initiative and care for your people by keeping them safe they might care if you lived for another day. But most likely not. Good luck staying in "favour" | |
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swalinny walk up to the person shooting and shakes her head. you have every right to say what you want about someone you dislike. we live in a cummunity where that is possible. However it is very immature of you to do this in such a way. I do not know what midnight has done to you and i don't care. I respect midnight, but also your oppinion. i will not judge you and start screaming at you for what you have said. all that i am saying is that in the future you could maybe consider doing it in a respectful way or in person. no-one here is interested in your hate towards her seeing no-one knows who you are. tis moment you are kind of making a fool of yourself going against a crew leader. swalinny nods and walks away. |
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| Reply by: swalinny at Feb 27, '17 15:14 | |
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| The point of this is to show the entire community her lack of commitment to her family. These issues have been brought up to her many times and have gone ignored and her family just keeps getting all these notifications about how poor of a family they are. She seems to not understand that when leadership is shit, everything beneath that leader will also be shit. It starts with good leadership to make a good family. A shit leader can have good members, but they will not try for long before they completely give up when they see that their hardwork goes unnoticed and they only get mails pointing out how bad the family is doing when it comes down to the leader not being able to form the family that they so desire, instead they put that burden solely on their members and sit back and do nothing but tell them of their shortfalls and failings. So hopefully this is a wake up call for this leader before it's too late. Not everyone gets these, as most are just buried and forgotten. | |
| Reply by: MidnightCantLead at Feb 27, '17 15:20 | |
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So let me get this straight, you didn't earn your boss a single dollar in the time you were under her and now you here in the streets to complain to anyone that you think will give a damn?.....I think you'll find no one does. When you join up with a family they are your boss, if you don't do right by them, they have every right to see you swimming with the dishes. This isn't daycare, learn to swim. |
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| Reply by: Roflcopter at Feb 27, '17 15:21 | |
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*swimming with the fishes...pardon me for mis-speaking, must be the chilly air today making me miss a consonant or two. |
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| Reply by: Roflcopter at Feb 27, '17 15:23 | |
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If life is so bad in LA with midnight, wouldn't we see more salt floating around? Everyone has a tale to tell, I'm not dismissing you in anyway I've dealt with people that you describe previously and it's safe to say that midnight isn't the first one (by your description) to "sleep" and expect her members to earn. I could see where you would be coming from if you were a top earner but at this point you were almost a squatter in a hotel by your own definition, to which you paid no dues and got mad that the owner of the establishment came knocking for them |
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| Reply by: I_32_I at Feb 27, '17 15:33 | |
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Listening to the remarks of this new guy to the streets, talking like he has some remarkable knowledge of another person life Gabriel decides to join in the discussion. "I can see you are upset with what has happened to a possible relative or yours? but as others have said, if you don't put in the work yourself then you cant expect to be handfed and looked after your entire life. As for Midnight being given notifications on how poorly her family is doing and good luck staying in Favour! I find that very hard to believe as I think you will find that she is very much in Favour as not only has she been granted the larger 20 man crew but she has also been give the nod to increase her BG protection. So I think she is very much in Favour" "Please move on and find some something positive to do now that you have a new fresh life" |
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| Reply by: Gabriel at Feb 27, '17 15:35 | |
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| I am only a voice of many of her members. They wish to have a new lift elsewhere but they do not wish to give up their own life to do this. They were swindled into this family with false hopes and promises and has the rug ripped out from under them and are now stuck with no hope. My kin only know of what midnight did prior to being handed her leadership role. She was in LA under multiple leaders, both of which she did nothing for unless she was in a leadership role. When you tell someone it is okay to not contribute only so you can get the additional member you should keep your word or at least not be a pussy and put a bullet in their head and recruit the members that will meet your needs and requirements that you actually want in a member. Not sell them anyway possible to just fill your HQ | |
| Reply by: MidnightCantLead at Feb 27, '17 15:39 | |
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I'd like to focus on the important issue here, which many appear to be ignoring.
I'm greatly concerned that someone is trying to muscle in on The Potato's racket. We like to be the ones hurling the abuse, doing the picking and making of the fun. Which delinquent ne'er-do-well is trying to move in on my turf?
As for all of the other allegations, they're normally the type of thing that would come with some form of proof? Transcripts of coffee room conversations, copies of mails... anything that was something other than the word of someone new to our shores and yet to establish any type of trust in this thing of ours that can, and most commonly will, be instantly discarded. If there's truth to the allegations I imagine we'll see it displayed fairly clearly in the decisions made by the family members in question. Nobody likes to be spoken down to and stripped of respect. There have been no external signs of it to date, however, so speaking for the majority of the masses who's main interest here will be on how any of this impacts on our business dealings I'll offer up a quick "So what?". |
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| Reply by: TsuDhoNimh at Feb 27, '17 15:46 | |
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If your the voice of many member why don't they rebel? Surely this will be the best way as proof that they are unhappy where they are. When the captain of the ship is asleep one cannot dismiss a mutiny. If they want to show she is a poor leader the best step is to step out, step into a leadership role and outshine her! You can't just bitch and moan from the shadows and complain no one is doing nothing. If they picked you as a voice for them then why don't you would come to these shores work hard and grind into power or at least have those who chose you also choose a person to go into a leadership position and show us what you claim midnight is holding people back from achieveing |
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| Reply by: I_32_I at Feb 27, '17 15:46 | |
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It was late in the day, and CS went for her daily walk to the streets. Sadly, all she heard was a bunch of complaints about one of her friends. "So, what you are saying is... that Midnight is not contributing anything to this community at all? That she has not done a single thing to gain favour and get her 20 man HQ? Is that what you are saying? Last time I checked, we had to actually do something in order to expand our crews. If she had failed her operation completely, we would most likely not see her in this position. I am not one to judge though.
You are also saying that you are a voice of many members. Have you spoken with many of them personally? Have they not thought of being transferred? You know, as it looks right now each associate can move freely. Don't you think people would have moved if they didn't like Midnight's leadership?" |
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| Reply by: CookieSandwich at Feb 27, '17 15:47 | |
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Evelyn is walking down the streets when she hears a mass of people going back and fourth. There is one person yammering about something, it wasn't until she got a bit closer that she understood the point he was trying to get across. "Ok, so your kin was unhappy with their crew. It's not the first time someone has ever been unhappy with where they landed. Though what do you expect, if you are a shit member your crew leader isn't going to put the extra effort into you. No earnings and your kin probably bitched and complained, not surprised they are on the bottom of the ocean right now." "That being said though, there are guidelines in place at the moment where if you are a wise guy or below you have the option to seek other employment. So if you were that unhappy prior to catching a bullet you should have looking for some where else to go. This has nothing to do with leadership, your kin could have put themselves in a better position." "Now you coming out here bitching to high heavens makes you sound like the incompetent one." Evelyn looks through the crowd, trying to find the source who started this. Glancing down on the ground she notices they are laying on the cold cement with a self inflicted bullet hole in their head. "Figures...." |
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| Reply by: EvelynReed at Feb 27, '17 16:10 | |
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Firstly Let me clear a few things up. I accepted your father into my family on the basis that he would roughly keep me updated on how things are going. I am happy for people to be busy as long as I'm aware of how things are going. When someone sleeps for as long as he did, ignores phone calls and fails to communicate to me in any way and as far as I can see then I have to say no sorry. As for the sleeping my way through Olympus family. I updated Olympia daily on my situation. I did not have my position of authority taken away from me. I stepped down because I was going through a very terrifying experience which needed to take priority. I was going through a brain tumour scare and funny enough I was focused around that at that point. I was fighting to survive a lot of pain and Trying to help Olympia lead was not something I was able to do at the time. So I asked Olympia to give my position to someone else as I was aware I could not do it. As for fortifications if your father bothered to listen to the weekly updates. I had informed that we were not bothered to update forts as when we expand they all get destroyed so as discussed with various other uppers during a CL meet it was not the best idea to waste money on that when it will be destroyed not that I have to answer about where my money goes. In regards to my members. Those who are active and hard working. They will inform you they receive rewards or offers of rewards which some turn down. If someone is not going to work hard they cannot expect to be praised or rewarded. Just like when I was with Olympia I was sleeping I didn't once ask for Made Man or to be rewarded for my lack of activity. I even offered to leave so she could have the space in her family should she need it because I know what is expected! When I set out to become a CL I made a point of being there for my members. Which is why I individually communicate with those members personally to see how they are all getting on. If those members like your father refuse to answer then it really moves beyond my problem I'm afraid. I reward my members weekly. Hell I reward more so than I should! Again if your father bothered to Communicate he would of seen the reward systems I put in. Fitz is aware of those rewards I put in regarding sponsorship and earning and general hard work as are a few other people. So bottom line is until you can see what I do behind the scenes and what I fight through to do that daily you cannot judge my leadership skills. Your sat the complaining about your fathers death. dragging someone's past up and trying to belittle someone and in the mean time getting every single one of your facts wrong. If anyone is in my family and not happy I have said it a thousand times before I am not stopping anyone from approaching me and having a chat about it. People are free to move at no charge as long as I'm aware because I do not want anyone feeling unhappy. So get your facts right kiddo. I hope you let go of this rage your hanging on to and I wish you luck in your future. Should you wish to discuss this properly like an adult my door is always open. And again not that I need to explain myself to anyone as it really is no one else's business. I'm not sure who these people are that have brought up my leadership style to me personally as Iv heard no complaints. I have done nothing but praise my members weekly saying how proud I was of everyone. Every single week without fail. First week saying how awesome they all were how we needed to work together to make the crew work introducing myself and how I can help them. I also praised them for other internal isssues. Every time someone is made man I announce to the entire crew praising their individual achievements and informing the crew. Second week I praised everyone once again for internal issues. Third week praises about how well they were doing as a crew how we were moving forward nicely. Nothing but praises. This week we did slack a little. I did confess I had been absent a few days due to health concerns but that I was still available. I reminded people of a few things So because I made two small complaints out of about 30 compliments. that once again you chose to ignore! Your going to pick that out. I think it says more about you than me dear :) I praise my family continuously they are amazing and they know it. I chose to get a little tougher on some serious issues this week but that is just about it and I have every right to be a bit tougher on those issues as they are quite important! |
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| Reply by: Midnight at Feb 27, '17 16:38 | |
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First of all like mentioned before everyone has the liberty of speech in this thing of ours however that doesn't mean to abuse it. There have been endless cases when this liberty has cost them their life so when adressing to crew leaders, no matter how you have been treated or what your personal opinion is on them, treat them with respect. You are adressing the streets and going on affected by personal emotion will do you no good. Secondly i dont want to be the guy who points this out but seems like your father was only using the crew as a shield. There must be paybacks to whatever good thing happens and he seemed to fail on that. You mentioned this earlier: "I'm not going to be able to put much time and effort into the family you are failing at starting and running, and then you accept it as okay and allow them in. You don't then turn around and tell them it's not okay that they don't pay taxes that they don't even owe since they havent made a fucking dollar" I've had members in Valhalla come to me with the same thing but your father was contradicting himself over there buddy. Theres a big, no let me rephrase it huge difference between 'much work' and 'not at all'. By what you've said seems like your father had not done any crimes (since they havent made a fucking dollar) at all and was not cut out for this line of work and hopefully you will do better by surpassing him. Now about the freedom of move. It was lately discussed that associates have the freedom to move to any crew they see will fit their style of life with some sort of payment which was up to the leader to demand. In your case you were lucky thay Midnight offered free movements in order to please her members. So anyone has the chance to try elsewhere and not bitch about their current crew. Moving on, you said that she had done little work in her family but on our side it looks like she is doing a hell of a job over there and facts speak for themselves and you may go against them as many times as you like and it wouldn't chanhe anything but your anger levels. So to conclude this there happens to be another discussion on the other street that TsuDhoNimh is holding and is completely relevant to your case. I suggest you leave your anger aside, listen a bit more, donate to the weekly paper and you will be doing great! (P.S - I advertised you Tsu so i demand 2% of the paper profits :p) |
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| Reply by: oRagnar at Feb 27, '17 18:01 | |
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Gunnz walks up and listens and is not happy with what he hears.
My Kin has known Midnight and her past Kin for years and from what you're saying you do not know much.
Just the other day her and I talked about some of the stuff you brought up and she is all for her members moving up and doing better things. So please don't sit here and try to drag someone name through the mud cause you mad.
Gunnz lights up his cigar and walks away |
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| Reply by: Gunnz at Feb 27, '17 18:03 | |
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Luna walked up to the group of people that had gathered, just as the young man who had started the speech stole another man's gun, put it to his head and pulled the trigger. Her eyes widened as she watched him fall to the ground, and she looked around at everyone else to gauge their reactions. She held her breath for a moment before releasing it in a rush and saying, "Well that was just a tad dramatic I think.. But anyways.. In case anyone here actually has their doubts about Midnight now because of this twit that decided to run his mouth, I can put them at ease.." She looked around at everyone and continued, "I worked for Midnight for awhile before I took on my own operations.. And I can assure you that she is just trying to do her best. She talks to me everyday, we discuss things together as friends, give each other advice.. She had her worries for awhile but she no longer does and I know how much she loves her crew members and loves being a leader. She's doing all she can to keep her members active, happy, protected.. I love that she gives her members rewards, has incentives to bring people in, talks with everyone, gets their opinions on how things are going.. She's came up with some really great ideas for her crew! And it sucks that she was stuck with a shit member that didn't care to stick around, who's kin came back to pass judgment against her. Midnight, keep doing what you're doing. You're a great friend, a great crew leader. Let this roll off your back, as I'm sure you've done already, and just keep up the good work! If my grandmother were still around, she could attest to how hard you worked for her.. And she was happy to call you a friend, as was my mother, and I'm glad I can call you a friend as well! So.. I think we can all move along now! |
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| Reply by: Luna-Lovegood at Feb 27, '17 18:11 | |
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There's a few reasons why this is ridiculous, but I'll try to keep it short and unsweet. If you're constantly being asked for information or just a response in general and you're too lazy to bother with responding to your leader, you can be sure as shit you'll get the chop. No matter how much time you've stated you can commit to this lifestyle, if you're showing that level of disrespect then you're more use as a notch to the gun than to bother keeping you around. By the sounds of what you're saying, your father wasn't happy within the crew. If that was the case he could have switched crews as per the Associate Movement that was announced some time ago, that way he could have moved and been completely useless elsewhere. Fortunately, he stuck it out where he was and received a double bullet burrito for being shite. Well done Midnight. I'm not sure what level of commitment your father expected from Midnight but why would she keep you around? You literally offered nothing to the crew and have admitted this through the drivel you have spouted here today, further to this, I'm not sure why you stand here trying to drag Midnight's name through the mud when your father did absolutely nothing. He served no purpose by being alive, so I'm not sure why you're so bitter or why you expected him to be kept safe. He wasn't some kind or ornament or item to be preserved, he was a member of the mob and a poor one at that. The deed is done, move on. It's embarrassing to be coming out here and trying to bash a crew leader who did something any other leader would have done. |
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| Reply by: FitzChivalry at Feb 27, '17 19:53 | |
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Bjorn decided to take a walk, he reaches within his front right pant leg taking out a cigarette. He shifts his gaze upon the crowd, and the shouting voices. With interest he kicks his legs into motion proceeding over. He stands quietly listening and taking in all statements before conjuring up his own. Plain and simple, if your father didn't approve of his placement, he was more then capable of moving to another crew. If he was un-aware of that, then unfortunately that's his problem. If your father had an issue with Midnight, again he should've chosen to be employed elsewhere. She's the Boss, that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Like others have said, it's rather embarrassing to bring such a topic up in which everyone should be completely aware of. My kin, and Midnight's go back. She's a solid person, all of which you state deems un-legitimized. With that being said, plot your career instead of reminiscing on his. |
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| Reply by: Bjorn_Ragnarsson at Feb 27, '17 21:47 | |
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