My ancestors tried that tact to no avail, Grin. Does it irk you that I refer to you and your brethren by your ancestral names? As a previous contributor mentioned - the Curtis regime was quite insistent that lineage was revealed under fear of death, is it not fair that the same is expected of you? Or does Vegas cronyism forbid the mention of your bloodline?

I can't say it has ever come up, honestly, Rit.

And I guess it does irk me to a degree because it assumes a continuity and homogeneity that doesn't exist for everyone and certainly doesn't for me. Equally though, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if you choose to continue doing so.

Yeah, that's a fair point. It does become tiresome when someone repeatedly attacks you purely because of your lineage. It's just a shame you can't see the hypocrisy of being verbally accosted for your lineage when your regime is fresh out of the battlefield following a lineage takedown.

I guess the hypocrisy is missed by my having neither a regime nor any lineage takedowns upon my resume. I'm glad you can see my point though. 

Stupid is as Stupid does - Look I can sum up why this happened in a few hard facts ---

1. Leader A (the one still alive) had one of the following behind him>

A Leadership community that is indifferent and doesn't care

B "Friendships" that transcend immediate world alliances ie blood line ties that go generations of friendship back

C Flat out More support from the leadershit round toilet than Leader B

2. Because of A - C which ever was true, Leader A said okay - get the list of their best hitters for me and lets plan our hits while they are relatively asleep wiping out any real threat of retaliation so the rest is smooth sailing

3. Had just enough of a loose connection to a reason that could be spewed about our streets and fed to the sheep huddled on the corners to appease enough to avoid a mass mutiny.

See it is the same every time, give or take the "reason" have validity at times. So why even fucking bother asking, answering or pretending to find "truth or meaning" .

Trolling is still fukin trollin, but why do people always complain when what they endure is exactly what they have done to others? There's one simple rule: don't do to others what you don't wish one does to you later. You want to take your revenge and make it worse than before? Just climb up and do something about it...

I don't understand how you can accuse my father of being a traitor, when he was never loyal to the Visas bloodline in the first place?

I was younger back then, but even then I understood that my father, Negan, had absolutely zero reason to owe him ANY loyalty at all.

Why? Because when did that bloodline ever do anything to help him? In his journals, he wrote down maybe once or twice about how he had briefly spoken to "his boss".

I am baffled about the fact that people are willing to believe random ass accusations not only against my father, but against other important people as well. Just because it says "He is working with us" Doesn't mean he was fully involved in any operations, my father was a well known businessman, so obviously he had many many business ties everywhere inside and outside of his own city. What does "working with us" mean? You leave it to interpretation, does that mean he actually fully supports those people? Who knows right...  Oh wait, that's right, I DO.

As a businessman, giving loans to people who have a history of always repaying only makes sense, to make a profit. I know right! To posses that kind of intelligence, and to understand such complex mathematics is very hard for small minds such as the accusers, or people who don't have an IQ high enough to understand how a business works, but that's history.

Onnoes said

"At least we know that you will not be loyal to those you join in the future. Since it is your decision who you join and it's an expectation from every family to be loyal upon joining."

Loyalty comes in many forms, the loyalty you refer to as an 'expectation' is totally different from the kind that is earned by someone. As JoeKing openly admitted himself, his father "had absolutely zero reason to owe him ANY loyalty at all".

However he made no mention of his loyalty to his family or anyone else for that matter in his speech, therefore his lack of loyalty for his crew leader should not be used as an indication of his loyalty or lack thereof towards his family. 

Unfortunately what you have done in my opinion is make your own personal assumption based on what is quite frankly a lack of evidence and made it public. This is exactly the kind of silly little thing that will undoubtedly have a knock on effect and sway the minds of certain other individuals thus leading to more distrust and further take downs. 

After reading all this, I can safely come to the conclusion not many stand a chance so why bother?

With no respect you could wait for another day instead doing on a Church Holiday Easter is a special day to many. I don't know the reason for this but come back find my mother dead over Easter weekend. Make me sick.

So you wouldn't have had any issue with your mother or anyone else for that matter dying on any other day of the year as long as its not one that falls on a day that only has any real significance to someone who has Christian beliefs?

I, a former member of Chicago, and LV would like to know what the arguments were that everyone had to be killed. 

Seems rather shady that a bunch of us were ordered there, then slaughtered by the city that sent us a few months later. 

NextGenBearman, I am going to take a gander and say the answer is either one of the two: They are incompetent and  made bad choices on who they send or they just want to set up their own shooting gallery out of fear of dying. Which one do you think it is?  I am inclined to think a combination of the two for the mere reason cowards are incompetent and become bullies.

Hestia came late to the party and quickly approached the gathered group of people. She cleared her throat rather loudly to cut through the noise before saying, "I don't know what was said before I arrived to this discussion.. But all I want to put out there is the age-old saying 'They don't have to come out here at all and say anything, so just be thankful something was said.' And, you know.. I've always hated that saying but it rings so true right now with all these salty people. Rest in peace to those that fell, and best wishes to their kin that may or may not choose to follow in their footsteps. This life is tough, and it ends for everyone sooner or later. Everyone will (hopefully) understand that someday."

She took a final look around at everyone before bowing slightly, then turning and taking her leave from the group.

I don't understand how you can accuse my father of being a traitor, when he was never loyal to the Visas bloodline in the first place?

JoeKing, I always find comments like that interesting or more accurately, laughable. You don't want your father to be labeled as a traitor because he was never loyal to Visas? Did your father ask for a transfer to be with a leader he could be loyal to before he decided to trust him and promote him to made man? Seems to me dear old dad was loyal as long as he had a safe place to be employed. When things got sticky he decided self preservation was more important than loyalty. I wouldn't label him as a traitor per say, I think coward is more accurate.  I also find that when people (you) insult the intelligence of others it's just a way to say I really have no good defense so I'm just going to call you stupid and leave it at that.

Quite frankly your father's issues with Saxon were none of my father's concern but he did find it insulting that you had no loyalty to any of the fallen in your crew/city. Your father ran out of HQ so fast he left my father there to fight off the attackers all by himself. He really could have used your father's help. An extra set of eyes would have been helpful considering three eyes would have better than just his one. My father thought you were a stand up guy but when he watched your father safely sitting on the sidelines he decided he made the wrong choice and that is why, before he took his last breath, he shot your father in the face. 

What's even more pathetic is that your bloodline is one that will be pursued and viewed as a good member to recruit while my loyal bloodline will be labeled as rogues and shunned. This is a messy line of work our families chose to be in but the culture really needs to change. 

I'm thinking you didn't know your father as well as you thought since I found a letter that he sent to my father stating his disappointment and high expectations for their boss. 

To: One-Eyed-Jack
From: Negan
Sent: Apr 17, '17 01:37
Subject:

Sucks :( I was hoping to see Visas as godfather once again

I  surely hope every new and old soul that lands, is made known they stand no chance whatsoever. 

Seems there's opportunity for the disrespectful. He had no problem finding a home after being disrespectful to a dead man. Standards are at an all time low. Back in the day a crew leader would shoot a member for something like this. 

I was right in saying they are incompetent. But they ride that special little yellow bus which I refuse to be a part of now or ever.

Seems there's opportunity for the disrespectful. He had no problem finding a home after being disrespectful to a dead man. Standards are at an all time low. Back in the day a crew leader would shoot a member for something like this. 

Fuck off. Rest in shit

Reply by: Ulysses at Apr 18, '17 20:16

Its funny how things work out here. Someone can show up to our shores for a day and do as he or she pleases at any funeral. 

Then disappear in thin air never to be seen again.

However a mourning enraged son comes back and the world's up in arms over it? Now do I condemn his actions? 100%.

No one deserves to be disrespected at a funeral. NO ONE!!! 

But members of your fathers front waited no more than mere hours to take a shot at our Beloved TsuDhoNimh's funeral. 

So if you come out here looking for some mercy or sympathy. Im sorry, you will find none of that here. Atleast not from me, not from New York! 

My condolences for your losses.