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GAME CHANGE: Adjusting rebuild mode. Started by: Squishy on May 16, '17 20:05

We will be modifying rebuild mode a bit to close a few exploits so that its purpose of providing an atmosphere where people are killed for a reason as opposed to shot down for a +1 when there are little options to find a home.  After modifying rebuild mode, we will evaluate to see if we have to nerf guns a bit to compensate for loopholes that may have been exploited.

 

Thank you for your patience, we hope to have it done within the next day or two.

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Like... all guns? Cuz, damn thats cold. 

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Can we have clarification as to what has been exploited and by whom?

Is this new accounts signing up? Accounts that play for more than 4H after dying? Members post war? 

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Loopholes would be doing things to get rebuild mode turned off on a technicality with the sole purpose of getting +1s again rather than the goal being providing an atmosphere where someone can get into a crew.

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Understood, thank you for the clarification. Can you confirm who it is who has the sole purpose of getting +1s again which has merited such a change and potentially, such a negative impact on the rest of us? 

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Not entirely sure why you feel like you are privy to that information. All we as users really need to know is that something was discovered and now Izzy is doing his thing to fix it up so that everything is fair again and people aren't exploiting the system. That's it really. I've never really known him to be the type, at least since I've been playing, to say "SoAndSo is fucking up and because of them I'm having to change part of the game so they stop doing what they're doing."

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I think whoever was doing it, it should be between Squishy and them. No need to start a witch hunt. Like Karmen said, he's always seemed like a fair admin.
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Its not really even malicious, its a cause and effect thing.  If they do X and Y then Z happens, which is semi harmless from the players perspective so I get it.  The downside is on the administrative side it makes efforts to retain new users, current users and our ROI from advertising much much more difficult to manage.  If a new user costs around 20 bucks and we can convert 3-4 of them a day, thats $21,900 to $29,200 that we just saved a year that we can throw back in to advertising and get an additional 3-4 users a day to grow the game as opposed to playing catch up and spending to maintain the numbers.

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Karmen, you mistake my intention. When a change is proposed that may "nerf guns a bit", it directly affects those who have spent the time accumulating the guns which are subject to said nerfing. If they aren't the ones guilty of exploiting loopholes for the sole purpose of gaining +1s (which seems doubtful given they already possess the requisite number of kills to do whatever they would like so why would a +1 make a difference), then I would like to think, as dedicated players, they are deserving of a valid explanation as to why they are being punished. 

As users, what would actually be beneficial is knowing what people are doing, maliciously or otherwise, so this behaviour can be counteracted and prevented from recurring. If it is as shortsighted as trying to get a cheap +1, then that needs addressing. Cryptic messages and ambiguous punishments rarely achieve the desired effect half so well as, "hey, idiot, doing X costs $21,900 - $29,200 pa, so kindly desist".

And, as to new user retention, I think letting them pick whatever crew they want to join to become engaged in the family dynamic as quickly as possible is definitely my advocated route. If that crew does not have any available space, either allow HQs to expand for 24 hours to accommodate them, automatically have an NPC/admin/user-appointed holding crew spawn to hold them until a permanent replacement exists or give them a symbol, exactly like the -1 but with that crew's crest and make them, for all intents and purposes, a member until a permanent HQ can be established. I'm not sure nerfing the guns of those currently retained will assist much there though. 

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Squishy, I can't help but think this is directed at me after I sent out a mass mail to leaders this morning telling everyone to ensure they had enough active sponsors to switch Rebuild mode off.

I did this because the last time I talked to you about Rebuild mode, you told me that the reason it was on at the time was simply due to there not being enough active players with Sponsor abilities on at the time. At the time you said all I needed to do was encourage more people to be active as sponsors to ensure crewless players could find homes and Rebuild mode would switch itself off.

So, this time when I see Rebuild mode on for the same reason, I sent out the same mail saying the same thing you told me to do last time. There was certainly no desire or intention to exploit anything. I think if you look at the position I and my organization are in, if anything I'd say providing the world with more +1s is actually not in our interests. So, what I was doing was absolutely not something to gain advantage, exploit or game the system. Also the number of available spaces in crews was almost double the number of crewless players at the time. So its not as if there was any shortage of houses for the homeless. If anything, the extra sponsorship would have helped house those crewless people.

I may be way off base with all this but as has been said before, without any specifics of any kind to work from, I can only assume this is what this announcement relates to. I'd obviously be delighted to be proved wrong. And if I'm not wrong, some clarification and specifics would certainly be helpful. I don't feel any players deserve to be punished for something they were either utterly unaware of or were doing solely based on your previous advise. 

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According to the mail I recieved we were asked to intentionally turn on sponsorship flags and not recruit to turn off rebuild mode by not only disorder but also by lillith , what use is telling us to assign sponsors to not recruit but to keep the toggle on to get out of rebuild mode if not to attempt to gain the system. I was made a sponsor shortly after this mail was sent as well

 

To: Doug-Glatt

From: Lillith

Sent: May 16, '17 08:25

Subject: Rebuild Mode - Attention Sponsors

 

***Mass Mail to all Crewed Paradise Residents***

Sponsors, please turn your Sponsor to On. We are not currently recruiting... Please see attached mail.

 

To: Lillith

From: Disorder

Sent: May 16, '17 08:24

Subject: Rebuild Mode

 

***Mass Mail to all Upper Structures***

***Mass Mail to all Crew Leaders***

Hello all,

 

We're back in Rebuild mode due to lack of job coverage. Even if you have no intention of recruiting anyone can you please ensure all your sponsors have Sponsor: On. If you don't have many sponsors please assign a few more and tell them to keep their Sponsor icon on. Hopefully we can get out of this soon.

 

C.

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You should have also included the mail after that clarified The Agency wasn't recruiting, but the other crews were. Here, let me help you with that @Doug_Glatt.

I should have included "Please direct any interested parties to one of the other Paradise crews." I was going to, but a third mass mail seemed to be a bit spammy and spastic.

 

From: Lillith
Sent: May 16, '17 08:26
Subject: Regarding last mail...

***Mass Mail to all Crewed Paradise Residents***
I meant we as in "The Agency" is not recruiting... Sorry for the spam. :) 

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So you made me a sponsor to not recruit people? I'm sorry I just don't get it 

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You were made a sponsor for when we recruit you can. If you had read both mails I would have assumed that made sense. They second mail clarified our stance as a crew and district. If that's too much for you to handle my guess would be to remove you as a sponsor as you don't get it.

Honestly specifics on why rebuild would be nice, but if Izzy wanted to do that he would have. Rebuild is nothing new people stop playing like it is.

AND Disorder probably cause this so not sure why the big upheave. SAME SHIT different one in charge. It's rebuild not death.

BUT to be fair punishing all guns is not a solution. Not fair to 90% here cause of a few fuck ups that happen all the time. Unless we get examples to prove otherwise that's way unfair to most of the player base.
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The mail was poorly worded, and I will take full responsibility for that. I am very much against abusing the system in a malicious manner and I am hopeful that Squishy knows that... What you insinuated was not my intention.  I am in the process of transitioning my crew and as such, my family is not recruiting per se. Rather, I was hoping to get the job board the coverage it needs while being able to send prospective members to Baba and Hisoka because my crew is currently is in the process of transitioning to a much smaller headquarters. THAT was my intention.

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I was made a sponsor and told to keep my flag on, this was not for the future if it was I wouldn't have been asked to keep my flag on and not recruit.

This appears to be a underling blindly following a godfathers wishes even though those wishes are to manipulate the rebuild mode system. The fault lies in the person in power even leaving room for the possibility that his words could be miscommunication statues asking his underlings to conduct a manipulation in this world of ours

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Doug-Glatt, why would Disorder want to manipulate the rebuild mode? Rebuild mode limits the amount of kills people are able to gain. As he already has the requisite number of kills to do as he pleases, can you explain to me why this would be to his advantage in any way? Further, as he and his team have total control of the game, why would rebuild mode going on or off pose any sort of threat to him as a player at all?

Assuming you follow the logic above and realise that he gains no advantage nor faces any sort of threat, isn't it far more likely then, that rather than trying to game a system for no tangible advantage whatsoever, he was actually, I don't know, operating just like he said he was as a conscientious player? You know, following the things Squishy had mentioned previously to try and make his game run as intended?

That seems more likely to me, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong and next he's going to ban everyone else from posting so only his district can get VIP points for mapping, to kill all the Durdens they don't need. 

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Such a negligible amount of +1s to be found in or outside of rebuild mode anyway, the idea that anyone would "game" the system baffles me and (from an outsiders perspective with no knowledge of figures/evidence) seems tenuous.

To make it fair just remove all +1s from people's gun from like the past week from those account kills that would have fallen under the rebuild mode tag, I'd be surprised if any gun lost more than a couple of kills...

The game is so heavily leaned towards MIAs and Durdens now anyway aka credits; there is really no need to even actively use your own nounce/brain anymore to find unsponsoreds and unnecessarily risk a wackback death.
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I am not going to lie but if you have no intention of recruiting there is no point in putting the sponsor on. If people are going to do your jobs, you want people that are actually going to reply to them. Not give them false hope that they could find a spot but not really.

That seems like cheating the system just to get rebuild mode off.

 

As far as there being spots in crews, honestly not every crew appeals to people. Not every crew is the same. So not everyone is going to want to join just anyone. So while there may be spots, perhaps they just arent appealing to the people?

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Who would appeal to the people, River?

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