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Would 2 Mafia Worlds/Servers solve things? Started by: FearlessJ on Sep 03, '17 01:28

Whispering's of this idea have come up as of recent, and I would love to hear everyone's opinion. 

Would this kill the game entirely?  Or save the game?  

Would this increase our numbers and MR's profitability?  Or would it basically split numbers in half and essentially make both world's irrelevant?  

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I want Mafia Return safe but I don't know about 2 worlds yet.

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Would this increase our numbers and MR's profitability?  Or would it basically split numbers in half and essentially make both world's irrelevant?  

It wouldnt split the existing number in half.  It would cause those that find that they would enjoy better opportunities on a new server without the existing regime.  The users waiting in the wings for the current regime to be removed woudl sign back up and have a go on server 2.  The users who quit a while ago would also sign back up to have a go.  Rarely do people have a start at ground-zero where they can race to the top and legit have a fair shake at it.  I believe our numbers would increase.

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Quite frankly, the only way I see this being necessary/reasonable is if we see a sudden surge in the playerbase. I don't think that the current playerbase could support both servers.

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Our numbers would without a doubt increase a bit Squishy, but chances are players will make a choice.  Server 1 or Server 2.  They will not invest in both servers.  One server will always be more favorable than the other.  One will always be more relevant than the other.  You will essentially tear the population in half.  

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SeanAdams, I actually forgot to add that to my last post, great point.

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Let's leave this to people who were unable to share their opinions on IRC, if we could.

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Not to mention, with the recent talk of unfavorable/unliked regimes, what happens if that regime gets control of both servers? Because, presumably, as players ditched one server fleeing from the regime to move to the other, that regime would still maintain power. And, with fewer players, they wouldn't need to invest as much time to retain control. I think it would be a net loss.

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You wouldnt be allowed to play in both servers either.

The idea of a second server is a last resort.  If the game reaches a point where it cant sustain the current situation its in, I will launch a 2nd world as an option so those who have no interest in playing in the current climate have a place to escape from where they are free to play again.

I imagine long term, server 1 would lose a chunk of its users, and server 2 would become the 'fun' place.  Server 1 would probably die out eventually.

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So by that logic it's worthless to put more time and money into these chars because more people want a second world and you said yourself this one would die. Good to know I guess
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I just...feel like this would be a lot of extra programming and expense (the cost of an additional server) for what would be accomplished by an annual/regular reset. 

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Squishy, chances are things will be fine and dandy, and the players complaining about what Disorder is doing on Server 1, will do the same thing on Server 2 if they gain power.  

It really does not solve anything.  I hope that MR can ride out the storm.  I totally understand the predicament you're in financially, and I genuinely feel for you.  Its a tough spot to be in.  I just do not think this is the solution.  

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I just...feel like this would be a lot of extra programming and expense (the cost of an additional server) for what would be accomplished by an annual/regular reset. 

"A Second Server" isnt actually a second server.  It would reside on the same servers that we currently use.  There would be no additional hardware/software/logistical expenses.  Just the cost for the additional hours for payroll for development.

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" So by that logic it's worthless to put more time and money into these chars because more people want a second world and you said yourself this one would die. Good to know I guess "

I think you missed the part where I said this would be a last ditch effort.  When the game is at the point where its evident that enough people have been driven away that it can on longer sustain itself, thats when I would do this.  There are many plans to ride out the current storm and keep things going as long as possible so that the current climate can change.

I do not make these decisions lightly, this is about keeping my eye on the long term.  I want MR to be here years down the road, I would like to see it recovering and start gaining players and be at a place where we can start putting money back into advertising by the start of the new year, and I really hope the current regime would aid in reversing the exodus and help plot the course to increasing the userbase, adding to the satisfaction of logging in daily, and looking forward to playing an account

But as they ever so eloquently reminded me, thats my job, not theres, so I can only count on them going down the same path they have been, which is causing me to make sure I plan for all eventualities - one of which is that by the time they are done having their fun, that they have laid waste of MR too many times that it can't recover.

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It's a "can't please everyone" situation tbh Squishy. Even with two servers, there will end being a 'regime' in that one and people will call for a reset. 

I know it's just a game, but the design makes people who make it to the top want to stay there. So another CL rises and has power, well why risk all their hard work? Why not team up and control more?

Like you said in IRC, it's kind of a social experiment. It will happen on servers 1, 2, 3, 4, and so on until this becomes one of those multi server games where there's no real sense of community anymore.

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If we had to do a second server situation, we would be implementing a lot of the features that would be unfair to put into a live game, it would provide a more fair playing environment since it would be more difficult to run the entire game for long terms without passing the baton. 

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Would that make people less likely to invest Squishy?
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^^^this is what I've been waiting to hear. Letting players dictate site rules seems, eventually, to be counterproductive to the site itself.

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The goal is to remove the investment feature when the game has enough that it can handle anything it could need without outside income,  myself included.

 

So in the long term, it doesn't matter. The investments, were used to get us way future proof with hardware, proper redundancy on a hardware and backup level and to make sure we have every contingency covered. We have that all covered now and investments are just used as a slush fund for slumps in sales and for additional development. It will be quite a few years before we need anything else hardware wise with the exception of replacing failed hardware. 

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Rather than just basically shitting all over Izzy's idea, why don't people be constructive and come up with alternatives. We all have taken from this site throughout the years, not just ranks and social standings within the game, but friends and a sense of community that links people from all different corners of the world.

Basically put, we all know that this site is going down a road we don't want it to go. An eventuality where one day we could type in mafiareturns into the url bar and there will be nothing here. Sure, some people won't give a flying fuck, but I feel a lot more will, even if it is just to make your 100000th Insidious name.

Be content with the way everything is, or help change the site for the better.

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