I must say, that I get what Menace is saying.

I dont know the details, but if some (paying) CLs were only authed by late Disorder, and not have been involved in the shit that went on, they may be feeling bad about how they got killed..

The double standards around logs are quite confusing to be honest. Sure nobody really liked the regime but there has been 0 ounce of proof to the claims you make Izzy. All you've said is "We have logs of this and then wiped everyone". Logs have and always will be falsified, we have seen cities wiped out for false logs and now we're seeing users being DD'd because of them.

There really needs to be some kind of policy in place that protects the users from this sort of shit. Not long ago I brought some logs to admin around threats and abuse to me. The response I got was "It could have been anyone", despite it being months worth of logs, I got the same response and therein lies the problem with logs, it could literally be anyone. But, when it suits yourselves it's 100% accurate and a justification to wipe a group of leaders. How can one set of logs be 100% proof and justification of a DD compared to another? It makes no sense Izzy.

Regimes are generally bad for business. We saw that with CP, 303 and the recent one which funnily enough nobody seems to have a name for, other than "The Regime" or Disorder xD

Each time a regime steps up and takes control, we see drastic knee jerk decisions from yourself Izzy. You can deny that claim if you like but the entire user base knows it to be true. You have gained a reputation for it. It is part of the reason why a large part of this user base refuses to buy credits and also why we have seen some really talented players leave this place over the years, both of which contribute to the decline of the site.

As I say there needs to be a clear policy in place that protects users from false logs, accusations and knee jerk reactions from you. We all get annoyed but when people have paid into something and they're wiped for doing nothing wrong, or very little, then they're going to feel robbed.

What's done is done but in the hopes of moving forward, I think it is imperative that users are protected from this sort of shit or we're just going to lose more players and we'll be back to this point after the next regime's been DD'd, because obviously a new regime will come and who knows, maybe the next will be worse for the site? 

There's no doubt a lot of people appreciate the work you put in but you're an admin/owner/developer, we shouldn't be seeing the whole sulky school child routine, the one who stamps their feet when things don't go the way you want. Honestly man, if you can swallow that pride, try and reflect on some of the shit you've done over the years. It lacks any kind of professionalism. Fortunately for the site, it is massively outweighed by the time and effort you put into this place, which is why a lot of the users who venture onto irc will always stick around, because they get to speak to the owner of the game and can appreciate you're a human like the rest of us, one who gets pissed off and upset. But as a business, that's not what people want to buy into.

Menace shouldn't have been DD'd. That is pretty clear to most, he put forward a point and was DD'd because it annoyed you and he was ignorant to what you believe to be true. What kind of reaction is that, man?

By that standard, am I now due a DD also? It would seem easier to DD and make a flippant comment after, than actually have a conversation/debate with a user on something which seems to be quite a serious issue and undoubtedly, a thought that a fair part of the site are sharing right now.

I appreciate and respect Squishy more now for even bothering to type up a reply to you.  Its a damn sight more than I'd have done for you if I was in his position considering whats happened recently.

This thread was meant to be about something that's worth celebrating and look what you've brought it down to.

Uh I mean....

"Quack?"

Waddles away

I have to admit that OneEyedJack has hit the nail on the head for me. What a guy Squishy truly is! There will be plenty of sour grapes as Squishy puts it in our world. Even more so after the recent events.

I have consistently returned to this place over the years and sank more time then I would like to admit but that's all down to the fact that I have friends here and I enjoy the game. Squishy/Izzy being one of them. The guy is a great man, and if I had the opportunity to get to a meet and meet the man in person. I for one would buy him a big fucking pizza and a beer as a thank you for all the great stuff that has come out of this place for me!

I've known Squishy for quite sometime and I know he doesn't enjoy DD'ing people. He never has.. it takes a lot for him to really do it and like he has said, there are lines that shouldn't be crossed and this time they were so out with the old and in with the new! Keep it up Squishy dude, you're a legend and I stand by your actions that you have had to do the last few days. Tons of respect coming from an old friend man. Absolute TONS.

And to the sour grapes out there remember what Squishy says.. if you're unhappy about anything or about this place.. leave. I know for one I won't miss you.

Unfortunately, I feel as this is all too little too late. Majority of the men left standing are the ones who would survive and thrive in a world lead by the old regime. While the rest probably simply do not want to return. The culture left over by Disorder and co. will have a lasting impact on the game, as long as those who were fiercely loyal to him remain alive and active. 

Here's hoping a few brace souls do what they can to remove these guys, I'll be lurking ^_^

One thing I want to say to Tony, and others who claim some of these people who took control of the site are "Talented"; and that it's a shame to see those users go. That's like saying just because Hitler was talented, he shouldn't have been untreated unfairly and it's such a shame to see him go. People can have talent and not run the game/community into the dirt. They are smart enough to know what the effect of their behavior will have. It's not rocket science either... man.

Walter-White.. what a terrible comparison.

Rocket science isnt that hard, you dont even have to consider gravity in space

On a more lighter note. Izzy just pulled a Lil Wayne TonyT. 

"I buy a pound, break it down and put it in a stogie"

Stop defending something that was built to alienate/exclude the user base from the bottom up. Were ALL better off, then we were a few days ago. Well unless you had vested interests in the men and woman that got DD'd? 

They weren't just killing threats, though. They were purging groups of people who's only crime was 'lived too long.' Then they had the nerve to try to  extort players with admin accounts into killing their account when things turned against them? Fuck that.

I dispute Ze Logs!! Just kidding. I wanted everyone dead. Everyone!!