As we saw in yesterdays tragic events, bad men will do evil things without provocation.  Godfathers Earl, Varys, and East_Side_Tacos were not bad men and did not deserve what happened to them last night.  But, now they lay dead and we are spending today visiting their funerals and trying to put the pieces back together.  It sickens me that the ill intentions of a few can ruin the hard work of three great men so easily.  

From the onset of their reign the current Godfathers vowed to do things differently.  Since they have come to power you have see wars sure, but the targeted killings have ended.  The systematic murder of anyone suspicious has been wholly abolished.  With their choice to do things "right" we now see the repercussions.  As far as anyone can tell Geordie had no confrontations with anyone he murdered last night.  There wasn't some long standing beef between himself and the fallen.  He was just an evil man dead set on doing evil things.

When Kimble, DoctorBoom, SpikeS, and Curtis were doing their purging many people were outraged.  They saw this as the most barbaric act anyone could imagine at the time.  As you see now maybe they were just more realistic than those who spoke out against their actions.  Maybe they understood that evil men will do evil things and that if they wanted to live they couldn't count on the good intentions of others.  We have seen with many others in the past that if you are too nice evil people will do bad things.  Kurgan and RobOakheart being good examples.  They vowed to do things differently and try to build a different world.  Kurgan was shot by a masked assassin in his sleep and RobOakheart was warred on the eve of his retirement.

Now, I understand that purging has its cons as well as its pros.  When you purge for so long the people who you have killed eventually stack against you.  Many, many of the people purged are innocent and probably didn't have any bad intentions.  The key word there is "probably".  For the mafioso at the top of the ladder it becomes a ratio.  At what point does the risk outweigh the reward.  As we saw yesterday the ratio was interrupted wrong last night and now 3 Godfathers lay dead.  Even still, is it fair to purge the suspicious 1% just to keep the other 99% safe and our foundations intact? 

In closing I want to hear your opinion.  What is the correct answer here?  Should those in charge now resign themselves to the fate of Kurgan and many others?  Should those at the top just wait for bad men to do bad things or should they be proactive?  I honestly do not know the correct answer and I have no horses in the race.  We have seen what is morally right fail time and time again, and the thing that is morally "wrong" work time and time again.  What do you think?

Pimp walked by, listening to the speech.

I do not praise Geordie in any way, and I think he shot many innocent people yesterday, but he played it well. Even if the regime was actively purging like we’ve seen in the past, Geordie managed to earn a CL spot. The leaders trusted him enough to let him lead a crew, and in that case, they trusted him not to shoot anyone like he did yesterday. Purging wouldn’t have changed anything. 

Honestly I dont think its a matter of trust anymore. I have heard too often of a leader put someone in a position just because they were around at the time that it was needed. Perhaps if there was more emphasis on actual loyalty then someone wouldn't weasel their way into a crew leader spot just to cause so much damage.

No one in this life is innocent though. I don't think purging helped, as Curtis and co saw their own amounts of rogues popping up and randomly shooting.  I think its more of an excuse to go bloodline hunting then doing any actual good.

You guys are correct in your points and they are valid.  Geordie did become a crew leader and Curtis did see his fair share of rogues.  But I'd like to refute a few of your points just for the sake of discussion.

Geordie did get to the position of Crew Leader that is true.  I think Kamryn hit the nail on the head that it was an auth based on need opposed to true loyalty.   When the purge lists were abolished they vetting process of players was also done away with.  He was given his position based on misplaced trust.  Is it possible with more thorough digging that his reign of terror could have been avoided?  That is only for God to determine as none of us could possibly know.  All I am saying is it is possible that Geordie would never have gotten though the vetting process had it still been implemented.  

As for Curtis's rogues.  The only rogues that did any real damage were mouseycop and Daniella.  At no other time did they lose anyone as important as Earl, Varys, and EST.  After the deaths of Curtis's friends at the hands of mousey and Daniella the purging ramped up and his base was relatively safe, minus the "roguing" of Godfather Frankie4Fingers which was set up by Godfather Curtis himself.  Incidentally Geordie is of the same bloodline of Frankie4Fingers.  What a coincidence eh?

Welcome to the discussion Chapo thank you for being here.

You seem a little more in the know than I.  Who has been shot for no reason?  I am only curious how you came to the assumption that purging still exists.  To an uneducated person like me the streets look relatively free of such things, at least compared to reigns in the past.

Quick question, have you ever had kin in Chicago? Ever had to deal with that leadership before Geordie took some of it down?

I really don't see what my personal relationships or experiences with anyone has to do with the topic at hand.  I might be stretching a little bit in assuming about how Geordie got his position.  The way I see it their are two possibilities.

1) Varys being the kind man that he was based his auth and opinion on how he felt about people in the moment as opposed to their past actions.  He chose to believe that if he did his people right he wouldn't be betrayed, and he was.

2) Varys did vet Geordie and he is just a world class liar.  As far as I've heard no one, not even Varys, knew that Geordie was indeed Frankie4Fingers.

I am inclined to believe the former.  I could entirely be wrong.

I was just curious.

I find there are some many options and factors involved. There are three sides to every memory. Theirs, yours and the truth somewhere in the middle.

No problem with being curious I appreciate your input.  You are right in that the truth lies somewhere in the middle as well. 

Sadly no one ever tells the whole truth and their are factors we may never know.

Truth is actually a falsehood.

The only thing there is, is reality.

one mans truth + another mans truth = reality.

How many criminals have been found guilty by witness accounts, only to be proven innocent later by evidence?  How many times have you thought one thing was true, only to find out that you were misinformed? Which lead to your truthful thought.

Suggestion and  misinformation  can and will most likely lead to a false truth.

But a lot of us don't give a fuck if you can train your gun to kill fast or not,

Chapo_Guzman, I think your ancestors would disagree. 

There are many good points here. I won't dispute any nor agree - for it really doesn't matter at the end of the day.

My thought on the matter though - is that what is more important than the life you live is the legacy you leave.  I'm going to suggest that if you purge relentlessly, backstab and generally disrupt growth of business then the legacy you leave isn't going to be looked upon by the masses with a sense of happiness.  However, if your approach is to be good to everyone, be fair and promote growth of business - I think that your legacy will be quite different than the former.  Sure - you will will likely get shot down by a rogue.  But, that's the risk you take by assuming people are honest and good.  To me at least, that's a risk worth taking. 

We're all going to swallow a bullet someday whether you approach this life in one way or the other.  We get to choose how we proceed in the meantime and pay the consequences of either action at the end.

This wasn't his first rodeo, and it won't be his last.  I saw him do this in NY as well.  Now he has a taste for it and it will only increase.  He's sick  and his appetite needs to be fed. 

They blend in with the good then strike, burn all bridges and come back incog. do it all over again.

Don't be paranoid, be smart.  Look for signs, I saw them as they were right in front of me and I didn't recognize them as I was so consumed in doing good.

You win this time F4F/Geordie but I don't admire you, you disgust me.  I spit on your grave, decorate you head stone with dog piss as my rotty lifts a leg.  Rot in hell you piece of shit.

Yeah, that felt good :)

This is the most one sided, biased and unfactual load of bullshit I've seen in a longtime. 

Those that were killed were in bed with Cletus and had all played their part in spreading a plague of cancer upon this once great thing of ours. 

To even suggest that they wern't killing whole cities based on anyone they deemed suspicious is actual madness.

Who did I purge, young sir? 

For the life of me I cant work out whether you're being intentionally or unintentionally stupid.