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| Assisting a rogue | Started by: Giuseppe on Jan 17, '08 12:05 |
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Well well well, Things are not always as they seems. Last night another rogue escaped from Oliver's family. Seems like they just can't wait to leave that place. What I'm wondering is, how do you deal people who support rogues and how acceptable is this? Last night there were plenty people showing support for The Fallen's actions. I went to his funeral and heard this, I told you it would never work, but you wouldn't listen. at least allow me to do this much without arguing Reply by: LaughingJack at Jan 17, '08 03:45 It looks to me like LaughingJack was in cahoots with the rogue, or at least knew about it before he bought out. Is this as bad as going rouge? Seems like at the very least it is being disloyal to the family, by keeping this secret from the Boss when it can harm the family. Or did Oliver know about it too, and let it happen? |
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Well I don't know if Oliver knew about it or not but knowing that someone is going to go rogue even if your not 100% sure they are going to,you should still report it to the proper people. You may be called a snitch for doing so but you got to do whats better for the family. Family always comes first even before self. |
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| Reply by: V at Jan 17, '08 12:15 | |
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Wow, you seem dead on with your arguments. Oh, did I say "dead"?! *McHugh's eyes dart around* I meant you are deceasedly right! DAMN IT! I keep doing it. I just can't seem to close the coffin lid on your arguments here. You've made such great points! From what I actually saw, it seems LaughingJack was trying to discourage a friend from making a stupid decision. I know plenty of people who have tried to do that. |
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| Reply by: MolotovMcHugh at Jan 17, '08 12:26 | |
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| Perhaps if he hand informed his boss about it, would have avoided the shot that was taken at Cathy? | |
| Reply by: Luki at Jan 17, '08 12:29 | |
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| I'm not sure whether he told McTavish or not. If you noticed, The Fallen was killed pretty quickly after setting up, so someone must've clued the boss in. The Fallen acted in a pretty swift motion. Everything he did occurred within a short time frame. If this "plotting" that Giuseppe seems to allude to had gone on for more than even an hour I think it could've been completely avoided. However, he made a spur of the moment decision, and the boss and Johnny were able to snuff it out almost immediately. | |
| Reply by: MolotovMcHugh at Jan 17, '08 12:36 | |
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In fact, I must add to that. LJ is a boss on Oliver's family, someone who has taken an oath of loyalty to his boss, not to his friends. It is only sensible that a member of such high position in Oliver's family, would conduct business first, would think of family in the first place. |
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| Reply by: Luki at Jan 17, '08 12:38 | |
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Everything he did occurred in a short time frame? How do you know how much time he spent plotting before buying out? The short time frame is only the time between when he bought out and died. For all anyone knows, this could have been planned for weeks, with many people knowing about it. |
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| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 12:39 | |
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This is entertaining... So every time there is a rogue, people are going to point fingers... Ha! I laugh at this. I find it funny people pointing fingers are from CP... I mean Cathy_Parks... *ponders* Kinda makes you think a little bit... Jealous? *shrugs* What do I know, I'm only an Earner. |
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| Reply by: Dexter at Jan 17, '08 12:41 | |
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| Like I said, I don't know what LaughingJack said, or how soon after The Fallen went rogue after LJ had discouraged him. I think it is unproductive to make such a baseless value judgment on a person and timeline that nobody has any information on. For all we know it could've been The Fallen telling LJ he was going rogue at 9:21, and then buying out seconds later. I can't say for certain what actions LJ took or how short a span he had to act... But then again, neither can anyone else. I think people should take a deep breath and stop looking for targets to vent on and crucify until we have found out everything. | |
| Reply by: MolotovMcHugh at Jan 17, '08 12:43 | |
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V = Alfieri Luki = Cathy Parks Me = Unsponsored Back to your corner, dipshit! |
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| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 12:43 | |
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And now we're name calling... No respect these days, no respect. |
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| Reply by: Dexter at Jan 17, '08 12:44 | |
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| (BTW, I'm not sure WHEN The Fallen actually went rogue, I'm too lazy to look, so 9:21 is an arbitrary time I picked.) | |
| Reply by: MolotovMcHugh at Jan 17, '08 12:44 | |
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Excuse me Dexter? I'm Cathy's part time rhm. Am I not allowed to discuss a matter that directly involves my family? It was my boss who was shot after all. This does not have anything to do with CP. McHugh, I thank you for trying to clarify this situation sir, I believe we can leave this matter to be solved in private quarters between Mr. Oliver and Miss Cathy. |
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| Reply by: Luki at Jan 17, '08 12:48 | |
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| I do indeed agree. And also, I do think that Luki has every right to question what's going on. If LJ had known about this attack for an extended period of time before it actually occurred, what makes anyone think Oliver won't take action? It's of no use to rush the situation and make him appear guilty before even presenting his side of the story though. Giuseppe is sort of like the guy who's in the crowd during a fight, and right as the situation gets defused, he pushes one of the combatants into the other and says, "HE CALLED YOUR MOM A WHORE". Listening to him is pointless. He's just looking for love that doesn't involve biting a pillow. | |
| Reply by: MolotovMcHugh at Jan 17, '08 12:54 | |
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For the record, Oliver's mother is not a whore. She is a saintly woman who fell on hard times when she was young and nothing more. Just because you've made a few dozen cookies doesn't mean you're a baker. As for the other stuff -- I really haven't been paying attention. |
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| Reply by: Rudiger at Jan 17, '08 13:14 | |
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| Christ Man, do you never Shut up? Don't you think the Family heads already know all this? This is done with, It's not your business to stick your head in Mr Oliver's and Ms Cathy's business. Let them decide who to behead on their own, they don't need you, Giuseppe. | |
| Reply by: Misty_Wyn at Jan 17, '08 13:46 | |
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| I'll shut up when Oliver can control his members from going rogue, when they stop shooting noobs under 48 hours before they can join a family, when he teaches them how not to get dishonorably discharged every other day, when he stops plotting to have good people killed for no reason like Gaara, when he starts punishing his members for things that other leaders are killing their members for doing, and when he shows up in the streets once in awhile to deserve his rank. | |
| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 13:54 | |
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| Heh, how about this, grow up, get a crew of your own and get that many people under your belt, and control them... it ain't easy. Mr. Oliver has done a damned good job to get where he is, and the only way a fly on the wind shield like you can do any thing to bring any real grief to him is by growing to be his size... Get there Then talk about what he should and shouldn't be doing. | |
| Reply by: Misty_Wyn at Jan 17, '08 14:01 | |
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| That was stirring. Like a mini-Gettysburg address. You almost had me until the Gaara thing. That's just a silly accusation to make, and now that you said it, it is painfully obvious you have never been in the "know". Instead, I see you as a middling lackey type that always has to ask, "Are we at war?" because nobody bothered to tell you. A valiant effort. | |
| Reply by: MolotovMcHugh at Jan 17, '08 14:01 | |
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you don't need to be a leader to see that every problem comes from the same crew. someone gets dishonorably discharged, whose crew were they from? Olivers. Someone goes rogue, whose crew are they from? Olivers. Everytime I get a witness of someone killing a noob, whose crew are they from? Olivers. Excuse me, but I don't need to be a Don to see that there is one crew here who is making a mess of the place. |
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| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 14:05 | |
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