I dont plan on responding to this topic anylonger after this. I realize that its tricky and my journals indicate that it was a risky thing to. I realize someone will have taken offense to this and probably wack me...But I wanted to present my opinion. i did that. and now im done with it. Im willing ot accept the consequences of my speach and start over when im killed in my sleep. I cant say i feel all that bad, i was respectful and i said what i needed to. Thank you all for taking the time to ponder this subject and it was a interesting conversation. If any one needs me i'll be drinking in one of phillies finest speak easy's waiting for the inevitable death sentence.

I don't think anyone has the mind to kill you. They may think you're stupid, but not a decent enough threat to kill and potentially damage business relations. You have been respectful and I respect that. Like I said, you have the right to voice whatever opinion you may have, but expect to meet resistance when you do.

I would be shocked if you were to die over this, Bic. In fact, i'd even be annoyed. While you may have started what is in my opinion a pointless discussion that could do much more harm than good, it isn't as though you have actually done anything worthy of a new pair of cement shoes.

So enjoy your drink in the bar and have one on me.

Salut.

Sam Carollo, leaning aganst a lamp post seemingly made for him, straightens up and steps forward.

I don't think a made man should be killed for speaking his mind. Then again I dont usualy see made men talking in the fucking streets about hypothetical alliances between cities taking on New York. Nor would I suggest too many more topics espousing the merits of someone getting up the courage to go rogue. A rogue has no strategy, they have a gun. It was probably wise to quit while you were ahead, assuming you still are of course.

As for addressing your concerns about startegy, it is all around you. You could even say there are power plays. You just dont know about them all. When the day comes for you to know it will be because you are wearing a suit or because it has become obvious by the obits.

Are you saying you want bloodshed, you should treasure this peaceful time in our community, if I'm correct, we've had a few wars in the last couple months. A break from that is pretty good.

It makes it interesting in the fact that one family can have control of their home city and then control in turn two other cities.

So you think that, when Deimne sent CrazyNine to St. Louis, for CN to become Godfather, that Deimne controlled New York and St. Louis? I don't think so. Perhaps they were allied, but Deimne had no controll over CN or Saint Louis after he allowed CN to make the move. And in the end,(If I'm correct,OOC: I wasn't really active at the time) Deimne ended up killing CrazyNine...Same thing happened with a few others who left the city of New York during Deimne's reign...

Me shooting someone would accomplish nothing. Sure i might kill 1 person, but what reason do i have to do that? What is gained? Now if i were a CL and had my own family I could shake this up, but I am not. So me wacking someone active, has no benifiet to me.

I don't think CrewLeaders can run around shooting wildly...

Actually Godfather SpaceMountain and a few other CL's wiped out CrazyNine.

Oh...:S...Well I guess I can use ScreamingButterFly as an example then...

Bic I think you brought something to the streets which was probably best off chatted about amongst close associates in a coffee shop. I say close associates because without a doubt if I had got wind of the conversation and obtained a transcript I really don't think you would be seeing the light of day.

I am all for street speaking of individuals but give it some thought before you do so, out here there are alot of more intelligent individuals who will lead you down a path to say something that could be bad for your health and potentially that of your city.


Sam I firmly disagree with you. I think if a made man speaks his mind and pisses someone off far far far more powerful than they or there family is, you wouldn't have much choice other than to kill them. It is either that or lose your whole family over the issue.

I know you have stated you wont respond Bic, but surely it should be a speakers intention to listen and respond to all comments.

Basically you cant just stir shit up and walk away, well, I suppose you can, but it's not a clever thing to do.

Our world has changed from years gone by, from journals I have noted the average life expectancy of a mafioso being merely a few short months, these days, with good strategy, not complacency, a long and prosperous life can be lived.

Sure guys can rank in a month or so, but that does not mean they have the power to seize control, it takes time and effort, your a mere 21 days old, 3 weeks!, that is fuck all in the general scheme of things.

I can understand boredom and frustration, but this is the mafia, not the wild west buddy.

I can understand boredom and frustration, but this is the mafia, not the wild west buddy.

A certain level of irony in that statement coming from a blood line that has been known to treat our world like the Wild West.

Underdog you can have my limited edition –Gene_Hunt bobblehead if it’ll help with the bitterness.

I have no bitterness, and I have a quattro in my garage to remind me of -Gene.

I was just pointing out the obvious

A certain level of irony in that statement coming from a blood line that has been known to treat our world like the Wild West.

He made a mistake and paid the price for it as im sure half the population has at some point, so lets not hold grudges.

Irony and obvious indeed underdog, though my own thought's and aspirations differ from that of my father, I do believe i have learned from his crazy and idiotic nature.

I do have idiocy issues of my own, but they lie elsewhere and are not for discussion here of course.

He made a mistake and paid the price for it as im sure half the population has at some point, so lets not hold grudges.

Do you really think you are in a position to tell me what I can and can't hold?


Paid the price you have to be having a fucking laugh. The actions of his father cost TheDean a fair penny I will have you know, a price paid pft with all due respect I think you are living in la la land if you think a price has even been paid for it.

I don't know about you Bic, but I'm in this to earn money, and to be honest I kind of expect you to be in this to make me money. As others have said, war is unproductive, I will not make money on a war, neither will the other city heads and Godfathers. Actually we would lose a lot of money. Not that long ago organized crime in the 8 cities was nearly wiped out. Only a few crews survived and we are far away from finishing the reconstruction.

We love in a prosperous time right now, lots of new leaders get a shot at running their own families and over the next month and a half we will probably see several new Godfathers rise up. There is no reason for anyone to go to war right not and my guess (and hope) is that it will stay like that for a while.

If it's war you are reffering to then I agrea with your point, but if it's not then I am not sure I understand your point there Bic.

But if there is no sufficent power, no motive, and no time to start one then it would be pointless to even talk about it for it makes no diference.

I hate to be the guy that comes in and says "Yeah, I agree with so and so, blah blah blah", but I do agree with most everyone on this topic.  Having had several ancestors die over the last few months I am very much enjoying the peace right now.  The Godfathers and other crew leaders alike have done a great job rebuilding their respective cities and keeping the peace.  I personally would love to continue down this path for many more months to come.

Now on a OOC note: If you want a shoot'em up game I can refer you to a couple.

Underdog, I dont think we are in as much disagreement as it may appear on the surface. A made man speaking his mind has a caveat, they should speak it intelligently. I compeletly agree with your assesment of actions that would have to be taken had someone from NY contacted me while Bic was digging his hole. I say this only because Kong was not available at the time. I am just glad I listen in on the streets regularly and heard it before someone told me about it. As it was, I was not about to silence the boss's made man unless he became dangerous, deranged, or down right disrespectful to someone. Let me clarify dangerous, his behavior bordered on it in my view, but I am thinking more along the lines of opening fire here.

In regards to McFly and his ironic earner, it is more of a clear cut issue. I can assure you that McFly knows full well he can't tell you what to hold in this thing of ours. The problem was that this earners statement was tied in with his blood line. Dead people. You see that brings in a little bit of the old OOC in this thing of ours. And I believe that was how McFly replied, a little too OOC. But perhaps he forgot that bloodlines now pay for the mistakes of their past lives. What is clear to me from the rest of your statement is that you are not done with Clarence, the price was never paid. And I am not having any fucking laughs over it. This really leaves me no choice but to trim down my captains ranks a little bit.

I would like to point out for anyone listening that the ranks of my crew, and now my Auth's crew have been trimmed significantly by the actions of some peoples ancestors. Perhaps an outright ban would serve us all better as death hardly seems  a high enough price these days.

I compeletly agree with your assesment of actions that would have to be taken had someone from NY contacted me while Bic was digging his hole.

Why should I have needed the assistance of anyone while Bic was speaking? I fear our world is dropping into a state of Nannyism. The job of a crewleader is not to censor and micromanage everything your members do. You send them out, they make money, they bring you an envelope full of cash. Let them do something on their own, they may learn something. Verbal beatings are good for the ego. Bic was no more disrespectful than I was in our little discussion. Do you think I should die? cough