I never inferred you needed assistance Gideon. Nor did anyone from NY contact me about the issue. Nor did I imply you needed to die. I am at a loss as to how you put all that together. I have not overlooked your position or opinion in the matter. As for Bic, he death was never up to me unless, as TheDean's RH put it, he pissed off someone very powerful and I had little choice. And while he may have been respectful, I think the subject was ill advised in the extreme.

Maybe I came off a little strong. The subject of street censorship is something I hold dear to me and have a fairly strong opinion on. When CL's start feeling the need to interfere in the streets to heavily, you see the streets fizzle and die. But, this is a topic for another day.

Maybe I misunderstood you and my own strong values momentarily clouded my judgment.

A topic I would enjoy discussing no doubt, after all, had my ancestors ever been censored who the hell would know me today.

I know I said i would not be responding anylonger, but in light of the recent response's i felt i needed to clear somethings up. My intentions were never to cause hostilities amongst the populas in this thing of ours. Im very sorry that i didn't keep this in the coffeeshops, as it has turned into something ugly. As kong has said my primary purpose is to earn him money. I put in ten hour plus days most days making money for the family and myself. that is after all my primary goal as the great kong had said. Sometimes in the daily grind you get caught up and bring up subjects that ought not see the light of day. I was having an off day is all i can say in my defense after having 8 hours of sleep in the last 3 days putting in overtime for the family. Im sorry if i have offended anyone that was never my goal. I had simply hoped we could discuss a topic that i had found interesting. It was a thought that I had. Because like many of you I know in the past years violence has been quite the common place occurance. Now that i have grasped the situation through some of your replies, i realise that the cities and there families are simply rebuilding and trying to recover from the last great wars. Im all that much more wiser because of the discussion now, i just wished we could have done it a little more civilly. Again no disrespect towards anyone intended and i hope that any further discussion can continue to be respectful.

Well Bic, at least you have learned from discussion and not from actions/reactions/consequences.

Although a heaty debate has ensued, perhaps a few have learned also, I know I have.

I guess old Clarence is dipping bins in heaven now.

Its a shame to see him go. I personally liked the guy being in philly and all. Its a shame when people you know die.

Craig will dip more bins in mourning.

Apparently, Craig is an illeist.

It's never a shame to see a reckless shooter die. Rather, I now feel safer know someone will not kill a friend of ours or even attempt to kill me.

Craig mourns the loss of another rubbish producer.

Less bins to dip.

I'll be the first one to say it:

Theres your wish Bic!