Well all I have to say is get a job and if you already have one then it's your choice not to save up money for the game.

I don't play any other games and my only other hobby is cars. Somehow this game is cheaper (who woulda thought). So inbetween my numbing schooling and work I choose to spend it here.

Long live credits!

personally i say good luck to people who will plough real money in to the game.  The warning of course is can still lose it all to a wackback as seen recently; also don't spend beyond your means as only a game at the end of the day.

How many players... seriously come back every character with 100s of bodyguards craig? I can think of... 2? Sometimes 3? Your telling me 3 people change the entire game? Cut me some slack...

This thread is ridiculous. The end.

Of course 3 people can change the game. What a ridiculous comment to make.

If these same 3 people sign up with basically an unkillable account in terms of needing waves of hitters to kill them then they can quite happily put the effort in (no issue here. Thats fair for all) and work their way to the top in a matter of weeks. Say the same 3 people die as leaders due to a gun malfunction. They would be back to IWP and could be set back up as Consigs/Dons in 2 months. They would be a damn sight harder to kill than most other people who do not invest their own IRL money and try to work the markets and use MR cash.

It's a rinse and repeat cycle. Those with large amounts of money IRL do gain an advantage and can 'buy their way to the top' which this thread implies is not the case.

I remember a war where (at least) 2 GF's (and their cities) had to put common efforts to kill you Caius. 200+ BG's GF is damn hard to kill. And one of these GF's died at the end of it, before your death. Would have he been alive without so much investment ? ... or not ? I honestly don't know. Moreover, this is past and we can't change it anyway. But in my opinion, it did change something in this story.

Anyway, apart from that, I agree with SyrupWaffle, this thread doesn't bring anything new..

Sam_Tyler I'm going to call bullshit. Yes 3 hitters can change things.... a year or so ago. These days everyone has a cannon. A HUGE benefit to this system is those that don't have friends to buy them their bgs they can buy themself.

So I bought myself 100 bodyguards, who gives a fuck? The system isn't unfair at all, if people don't like it they can do as I said earlier, like getting jobs and such. How long does it really take to save up a few hundred dollars. I work and go to school full time yet I can find the extra scratch every now and again. Plus it helps the game overall grow, so next time you go to shoot an IA I expect a thank you mail because my money isn't only benefiting me but this game as a whole.

The credit system is contradictory to the way the game is run. We buy BG's with playing money that we have earned or have been sent, or alternatively by buying credits at a price and then selling them on for profit. However by introducing real money and in the cases of some, hundreds of pounds/dollars/whatever which is then transferred into credits we are cheapening the time and effort the players who do not donate put in here.

It's all good saying get a job and invest it into the game but not everyone has the capacity to do that, some might be full time parents, some full time students with little money to spare on such things. So these people will be at an obvious disadvantage.

Any muppet with a some money tucked away can donate to the game, gain mass amounts of bg's as well as gain more credits to then sell, make a nice tribute to their leader to keep them sweet, throw silly amounts of jails in order to rank up, keep their heads low and rank up and then become very difficult to kill, of course I won't say impossible but it's an obvious disadvantage.

Of course, the game needs money although I'm not sure how much, I can imagine the buying of credits generates a lot of income for the game so I can see why the admins would rather have it, than not have it.

Fletcher I take 15 credit hours in Aeronautics and work 30 hours a week. I'd say that's pretty damn full time.

As for your argument about it cheapening the system if anything it helps those that don't have the connections in game to find an alternative method.

You can call bullshit all you like. Doesn't make it so.

Everyone in the game has a cannon is what you reckon. So you reckon IWP are easy one shot kills then? I never said 3 hitters. I said three leaders. Once bold and set up these over BG'd people will be nigh on unhittable for anyone without a full city to call on. BGs bought with credit cash skew the game away from those with less IRL than others. Which brings me to another one of your points.

You can save a few  hundred dollars a month. You're right. I could. I have just got back into work having been unable to find any for two months. I work a 50 hour week plus a 5 hour Saturday so I more than cover 'full time'. But for me to be taking money away from my savings towards getting a house of my own would be very very selfish of me when my GF is putting as much as she can into the pot aswell. So you can shove your assumptions straight up your arse. My money is spent on making my life and future better. Any cash after that MR can have. I have donated for no benefit before and I will do so again should the need arise. I am arguing against the fact credits do not gain you an advantage. Of course they do. Why on earth would anyone want to spend £150 a month on credits if they don't?

You say that it gives an alternative to those without connections. Is that not what this game is all about? Is that not how the mafia works? You join as a young associate and make a name for yourself. Why should someone who is a fucking retard be able to walk onto these streets and get big big money because their IRL circumstances dictate they can?

As for your comment about me shooting IA's. I have helped this game grow as much as I humanely can. I advertise it everywhere I can like everyone else. Just because you choose to spend your real life cash doesn't make you any better than me.

"so next time you go to shoot an IA I expect a thank you mail because my money isn't only benefiting me but this game as a whole."

How very arrogant of you.

Sam_Tyler, I'm going to assume you're not calling me a retard for buying a shit load of bodyguards. So I will go ahead and ignore that comment in whole.

Your real life business is your business, but it shouldn't effect my game play. So you don't have the money to donate, sorry but that's not my problem or those that do use their own money to buy credits.

Aside from work and school this is one of two things I do that I enjoy and you know what I want to have a shit load of bodyguards so my months and months of hardwork isn't lost because some dumbass that shoots some MIAs can just go ahead and pop me when I'm asleep.

Also, the fact is IWP is hittable by people that are alive right now. If you didn't see the war where Old New York fell there were plenty OWP-IWP people that were one shotted. So the fact is that those put in the effort will ultimately have the ability to shoot those with all kinds of bodyguards, leader or not.

As for your "advertising" I'm sure everyone appreciates it, even I do. But the fact is that the money that the people with a little extra scratch do donate helps this site extremely.

At this moment I believe there is three PAID employees. Every month they need paid, then the owners get a cut. Some months the Owners don't get shit. So, with credits and with how much it does bring in it pays for advertising, people to work and ensure everything works properly and helps the owners pay their bills so if they ever wanted to save up for house could do so as well.

Those that are complaining about credits I find to be the ones that don't have money, but the cold hard truth is that there's money in the world to be made. If you really wanna put it in to the game fine, if not fine, but there's absolutely no reason that those that use the system should be hindered because people are complaining about how other's that have busted there ass for that money are spending it.

It's like going up to a doctor and bitching him out for driving a ferrari and you're stuck driving a chevy. Sucks, but he worked for that and it's how it is.

As for the connections part, I've played for three-4ish years. I don't have the connections that some do within their friends, but I can buy myself bodyguards if need be. Which this account was worth it and I figured "Hey, it does everyone better."

Sorry but its how shit really is. I don't have a shit load of money sitting around either, but when I have it and want to put it in here I do just as you have, if you're concerned about it then you can save up when you do have that little extra money.

I'd reply. I really would. But my head is already bleeding.

I'll leave it here. Let the ring of fire continue.

"Those that are complaining about credits I find to be the ones that don't have money"

What a ridiculous statement lol. Don't make assumptions about peoples lives based on whether or not they buy credits. Such an arrogant comment.

If people want to donate by all means do so, personally I'd never donate to this game for various reasons and I know others share similar reasons for not doing so too. I just think that people who donate can have a very big advantage over those who do not do so and I'm not sure that it should really be this way. Although ultimately this is not my game, I do not own it, so who cares, right?

I do find it quite amusing that people feel the need to invest such vast amounts of money on an account that will eventually end up brown bread...But hey, maybe they've got money to burn and little else to do with it.

Like McDermott said, "it's how shit really is"

Well unfortunately Fletcher it takes money to power games. Yes I did say that comment because I can only assume that considering the arguments been "those with money IRL can have an advantage" so then I'm going to assume that means those arguing that are broke.

Let's look at it this way. A ps3 is $300 new. I personally would only play COD and NCAA. $60 a pop per game. In a month I'm bored, so I spent $420 on that. Now I spend say $200 on this game. And I live for 4 months. Which one is better? I'd say this one.

Cool story brah.

Although you can always sell the ps3 and games and get a few quid back, unfortunately for you, you can't sell a dead account. It's really down to you what you spend your money on, I really couldn't be fucked, my argument was that I felt it contradicted what the game was about.

Fletcher it may contradict what the game is about but nothing will be exactly on cue and even I have had to get use to that.

However the point still is it costs money to do so. I've talked to one of the owners many times and I consider him a good friend. This game costs more than what everyone realizes and this has been a huge step in helping with a means of income. You don't make games like this and expect to do it and end up broke.

lolz.

What balances things out for those that buy BG's is the training cost that in incurred every five days. Yes, some accounts can mange the costs but it takes the type of effort not all can put in. You can't and shouldn't expect the crew leader to bail out a member that has drowned in training costs...

Finally...training a gun is easy as pie nowadays. So it's not quite as hard to take down heavily guarded players as it was in the past. :D

Gaining 100s of bodyguards obviously impacts upon the game or nobody would bother doing it.

Ultimately if that is how you want to spend your money, then go for it. As people have already said, any money contributed to the site through the purchase of credits is beneficial to the site and thus a good thing.

What I would say though is that there is entirely no need to play the 'I'm helping the game' card at every opportunity. If you truly want to help the game, make a donation rather than buying credits. Otherwise, accept that you're really just helping yourself and be glad that you have a system that lets you utilise real money if you want to.

I don't know about anyone else, but to me, knowing that people sink real money into this to try to balance the scales against better players makes it all the more gratifying when they die and still lose.

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I'm with stupid.