That's exactly the kind of weak shit I'm talking about. If what you say is true, Light-Bringer, what do think you their children are going to do? They grow just like everybody else. Only now, you'll have no idea of who and where they are? Made plus members and even some Wise Guys become part of the ship and must go down when that ship goes down. But there's a reason why the gods frown upon leaders who demand info on bloodlines before the rank of Made. And that reason ties in to this subject in a small way.

I didn't say anything about innocence. No one is innocent. Shouldn't people be given a chance to earn a stripe or two, when requested, if they have not had the chance yet?

Also, if what you say is true, why does the concept of Protection Orders even exist?

If a crew leader can't keep track of their members to the effect that it benefits their city and allies, should they even have the right to lead?

Its the mark of indolence for a leader to reject a parley of a Gangster because of "what they might grow to be." They might as well not even recruit. Why should people who think that way have access to the job board? The low-ranking people who did not request a new home can be reasonably considered for the executioners block in a scorched earth situation, that I can understand.

In any case, I am glad you gave your perspective on this subject and it has shed light upon the matter for me. Thank you.

Sansa_Stark knew little about the world, being a young gangster. But she had the journal of a woman named Miss_Niki

Las Vegas Leadership was young leadership. There was much to learn, and instead of guiding a young Godfather on how they expected her to lead, the others sat back and kept tally of what they perceived to be mistakes. In the end, some of the best qualities she had were what lead to her demise. Some people aren't cut out to be ruthless and cut throat. She had once told an elder named JTG that she felt her way of seeing the world was going to be her demise, and ultimately it was. This speech given here today by the leaders, and others like it, are the reasons why people walk away from the Mafia world. 

Perhaps one day the Gods will see, that it's the same old, same old leadership, and what they perceive to be the "right way" to to do things, even in another city. Perhaps not, and the people will continue to move towards a new life, free of crime. In any case, The stories of how these people worked together, the camaraderie, was something Sansa hoped she would some day witness again. The people of Las Vegas didn't have to fear their Godmother. Just fear what was outside the walls. 

I leave you with this letter that was posted on the last page of the journal, the day the hit went up for Miss_Niki

My dear Las Vegas,

What a ride we've had together. I have treasured each and every one of you. You worked hard here, and we really built something that I looked forward to coming to every day.  I've made mistakes, and it's time to pay for those mistakes. I bear no grudges, I bear no ill-will. They are doing what they feel they must. They feel I'm not leading you the correct way. I am sorry, I let you all down. 

They are coming, I can hear them in the hallway. Whatever you do, always remember Las Vegas. You all made it a wonderful place. A place that I will miss, I can't ever imagine anything ever being as good.

Xoxox

Miss_Niki

 

 

Paul was calmly listening to the words said of the Godfather Angelo and more and more deep he was listening more and more he shaked head... Paul stood up and asked for a moment of attention...

Godfather Angelo , my brothers and sisters, my friends and my fake friends who stabbed me in the back allow me to speak up for a moment.

One part of conversation I do understand , there have been some mistakes done thats for sure. I am saying about NPC thing it should have been handled differently as maybe some other... And yes Rogues from our cities came and go... But can single one of you say that they had no mistakes made and that they had no rogues coming out of their crew? I dare you to speak about it because one of us could now get in one of your crews and after 15 days start shooting people from other cities as rogues and would that be your fault and would that mean your city need to be killed? I dont like those rogues any more than you do in fact I am against that approach probably more than all of you even now from my stance. 

So lets say NPC thing was really a mistake (I wasnt playing for too long and wasnt even aware of anything about this until NPC thing has started) , but again it was a mistake you could ask for financial support from LV if it was just our fault, I still am not familiar with complete NPC scenario. As for rogues, Blackneck came out from my crew and we did our best to stop him , not much more we could do than that. He even killed my great friend Spiels on the end and I was very upset I also offered my life in exchange for safety of Las Vegas but was told its not needed and that things have been handled well on the end. Anyway same guy blackneck has now killed Spiels again leaving a whisper its him, which means blackneck is actually working for one of you and maybe rogued from our city to some of yours orders as well... Did he?

Speaking of rogues I am quite sure in last few days few have came out from some other city you consider your "ally" does that means Godfather Angelo that you are going to make a move again once you think it is time?  
My point is you wanted to kill Las Vegas , you had support of everyone even some people I considered good friends to me which has really saddened me , but I understand that is the world we live in so I wish them best of luck... You wanted us dead you was stronger and you got us all dead its whole point dont say how you thought that LV will be a threat to you as like you seen our Chairman even didnt want Seattle which was our city to take without bullet fired and you think she would make a move against your or some other city with oppening a war? Really?
We all are serious people here so please lets act that way and not speak nonsense , maybe she made some mistakes on the way as all of us do, but you all know that Miss_Niki was probably the most peaceful chairman there ever will be.  
All that story about rogues, NPC's and all other stuff are bullshit and we all know it. True story is LV was never a threat to you nor would ever be , more rogues came out from other cities than from LV , more stealth deaths come to LV from your cities with WS which never pop up , LV has always (or at least in situations known to me) paid for the damage its rogues did no matter its not our fault.  You wanted us out for filling your own ego or for expansion or just for fun and you did it successfully and we... Well at least I am fine with it , its all part of the life we have choosen . But killing whole city without pro orders just because you "think" LV was a threat was really not cool.
Some of you will benefit from this and some other who also took part in this massacre have lost a good ally which they will notice I am quite sure.

I congratulate you for winning a battle which didnt even started and on well planned action where you didnt allow us to even make a move and put up a fight , it was well done and I was almost aware of it but a guy who I considered loyal friend made sure that my doubts go away so you should thank to him or else it wouldnt be so easy victory I promise you that.

I spoke my mind here and I am not going to hide myself as all I did I would repeat over again and there was nothing unhonorable I did at least was not willing to do so. So if some of you want to kill me it will be easy to find me.

Paul Vitti stops for a bit and take a look at people who got very bored of his long talk and even tho some of those people deserved the death still it would be too harsh death to die of his painful long talk so he decided to stop there ending with a few words...

I would rather again die alongside Miss_Niki and my family and friends in Las Vegas , than win a war by backstabbing my friends for a so called ally who will most likely turn on me when he stand up on the wrong leg some other morning at 6am.

Las Vegas you rocked and will never be forgotten , your Godfather Vitti is proud of you all!

Signed ,

Ex-Godfather (and future degenerate gambler)  Paul Vitti

Drax stood in the back listening to the speech. It made sense really. If one takes the emotion out of it and all of the nonsense it was clear, people didn't agree. The majority of people that didn't agree wiped the others clear off the map. That was just the way things go. Drax continued eating his chips when a mailman approached him and asked him, 'Hey are you Drax!?'. Drax gave a nod and the man handed Drax an envelope. Drax tipped the man and opened it. It was from his father James.

           Dear Drax, 

                   Today is going very well. I'm enjoying my time at a community gathering. We're competing in little games here and there, having fun, and winning prizes here and there. I hope this letter find you well... Something is happening, shots are ringing out in Las Vegas with a severe intensity. This cannot be good. Son, whatever happens to me, take my advice, move on and be strong! Don't forget that you..

The letter ends abruptly, but the message was clear. Drax would do just as was said, move on. He was determined to prosper in ways that his father could not. He tucked the letter into his pocket and continued to watch everyone have their debates. 

        Aldo watches from afar at everyone go back and forth, about this and that. Aldo has never been one to speak in the streets about politics of mafioso's, he was more of a straight forward type of person. He saw politics in the streets as a high end smoke screen to mask what people are really feeling. Whether they were provoked by truth or by the high dollar mark, it didn't really matter. The choice was made and all of our choices reflect on us and the city we inhabit. These choices will ripple through time and effect everyone who walks these streets. Las Vegas can rest well knowing that its reflection was not altered by this cruel world or its choices today.

        Though Aldo was a man of few words he never needed to say much, his actions spoke more than he ever could. He died holding True, how many can say that much...

<font color="#99CC99">  </font>Rest Well Las Vegas

<font color="#99CC99">~</font>With no Ill will

  Lt-AldoRaine

War is not fun and people will die. i think you did what was ultimately good for your survival. the mafia isn't easy and i commend you on your efforts angelo. 

Just typed about 4 paragraphs in response to this, but LittleRed the jist of it was don't take things so personal not everything is done in the public eye, and leaders have a hard decision to make whether they are going to risk the lives of their own people but sparing the other cities young guns or to just kill everyone in the city and not compromise their own people.

I have gone through most of what is being said and I am still like wtf..  I went to LV after being killed in Seattle during that big mess and wasn't even a lvl 30 yet and got killed why? Because someone had some damn issue over stupid shit?  I mean really are we adults or children in this game because from my point of view I think some need to get out of the diapers and grow up a bit. I was in Beko's crew then Billy's and I never ever heard anything bad from either one of them. 

Kinda sad that people take this shit to far and kill those who aren't a risk. I hope it was worth it and come's back to bite you all in the ass one day...

 LittleRed this is just the way the world works, id suggest not taking things so personally, You're telling us to grow up, thats ironic really, considering you're still very salty over your kins dying. Id suggest you pick your dummy up and move on. Holding grudges and being angry about things that ultimately have an inevitable ending for us all will not be good for your soul, trust me ive been there before. 

 Kinda sad that people take this shit to far and kill those who aren't a risk. I hope it was worth it and come's back to bite you all in the ass one day...

Im getting really fed up of hearing "vegas where passive" "they wasnt a threat" This just isnt true, i know they have killed people, i know they helped during many wars and i also know they had some decent hitters, with decent guns, guns that are trained for one sole purpose..to kill! 

Also, lets hope your words here "dont come back to bite you in the ass"   

Dean trust me neither of Chairmans considered LV a risk really. They had not even one single reason to think so. They could say so because they wanted to be considered like that so they can shoot , but they all knew its not true. Niki was very peaceful person maybe even too much and they all know it. And you say its not all done in public, thats true... But I as one of leaders of LV can say that we had no intentions to make a move on any other city and i am also quite sure that chairmans were aware of that. So this cleanup was not needed at all for any of guys unless some of them need a city to expand. (I hope they do so this at least have some point and it was not just training drill :) ) Its all part of a game anyhow and since we started we expected that our end will once come and I accept it like that and am cool with it. Ofcourse i would prefer to fall fighting and not like this but then again its still better death than wacking back on durden :) Only 2 things that bothers me are:

1.  that some people are trying to make that decision look just and fair as it is not. no matter from which angle you look at it. So for the last time LV had no ill intentions toward any city nor considered to do it (not even discussed EVER!). All leaders knew Niki and most of them knew me too , so I think they were well aware of that as well. Whatever the reason was or there was no reason at all and it was just for fun , its fine... Everyone play the game the way they enjoy it , just dont put it up like you had to do it and that we were a threat because its a lie.

2. Complete cleanup... Since I started playimg this game again on my previous char as i was on a long break of few years, I remember only one cleanup of Seattle. Each time after that no matter how terrible reason for war was there were issued pro orders and for LV you decided to kill every single guy in the city. So you could kill 10-15 of us and that would end the war, but you go for the most cruel way on LV you could do and you dont even know why. 

So trust me death doesnt bother me even a bit. I had great run and time and enjoyed an awesome city of Las Vegas who i miss now. But when i seen i am killed didnt felt anything really. It did bother me when i heard no pro orders are issued and it did bother me when i see people want to say it was right thing to do. Well thats all i have on my mind about this matter...

Saying all that was on his soul , all he have to say and feeling like from this point he can just repeat himself, Paul nodded to all people present and left the room for the new life...

Dean trust me neither of Chairmans considered LV a risk really. They had not even one single reason to think so. They could say so because they wanted to be considered like that so they can shoot , but they all knew its not true. Niki was very peaceful person maybe even too much and they all know it. And you say its not all done in public, thats true... 

Can we get away from this "Peaceful" notion shit? Thats just not true! i dont get and ill never understand it. Paul__Vitti let me ask you a question. Your father actively trained a gun we know that and i know historically that your linage have trained their guns over the years... if you was totally passive, then why do it? whats the point? 

I also know that Nikki had extensively trained her gun over her time here...ill ask the same question, WHY. if people are passive, no threat  etc etc blah blah, why train a gun, why get all those notches? 

Secondly i know you guys jumped in on a few wars helping KILL, would you count that as passive because you didnt start the war? 

i am also quite sure that chairmans were aware of that. So this cleanup was not needed at all for any of guys unless some of them need a city to expand.

 I am not convinced thats true or im sure your "passive" city might still be standing. 

 that some people are trying to make that decision look just and fair as it is not. no matter from which angle you look at it. So for the last time LV had no ill intentions toward any city nor considered to do it (not even discussed EVER!). All leaders knew Niki and most of them knew me too , so I think they were well aware of that as well. Whatever the reason was or there was no reason at all and it was just for fun , its fine... Everyone play the game the way they enjoy it , just dont put it up like you had to do it and that we were a threat because its a lie.

 

With any great reason, things can be achieved. Would you prefer we said that your HQ se ton fire, the emergency exit doors failed and you all got trapped inside and burned?  Juts because it wasnt discussed doesnt mean there isnt logic or reason for the take down. The GFC's all agreed and where more than happy to go ahead with this. 

2. Complete cleanup... Since I started playimg this game again on my previous char as i was on a long break of few years, I remember only one cleanup of Seattle. Each time after that no matter how terrible reason for war was there were issued pro orders and for LV you decided to kill every single guy in the city. So you could kill 10-15 of us and that would end the war, but you go for the most cruel way on LV you could do and you dont even know why. 

This is simple, vegas had A LOT of members that where under than rank of made, they had been alive long enough to reach higher ranks being able to carry a lot more drugs than their rank would suggest. So in turn, this creates issues for leaving them alone, rogues being the main issue. Do you still think that those loyal to Vegas would have been "passive" when seeing their leaders die? Do you think your father would have expected his trusted members to fight back? or juts join other crews? That would be some horrible loyalty.

So trust me death doesnt bother me even a bit

I think that could be a bit of a porky? Your kin come out here once before you arrived, he felt the need to come out and he didnt seem too happy, unhappy enough to put a bullet in his head. Then there is you, coming back out here to still carry on. So i dont believe this statement above.

As a side note, your OOCITIS is shocking

After reading the statement I'm filled with pride being a part of all of those dead in Las Vegas and only wants to salute all of you being mass-murdered in there, it was a hell of a ride for all of us and all just have to take new action in other city's and forget that this thing happened.

It was time to see if he could get out from here in great honor and he could that, with pride he walks out in the dark MR again to try out to get energy back to have fun in here after getting another good lesson in this world.

Just when I thought I am out , they pull me back in! :D 

I will answer your questions, but please when we start repeating ourself too much lets just stop it (I dont know to stop so I leave that part to you :) )

As for the side note , not all of us are gifted with a great RP skills as you are , oh Grandmaster of RPtities! :D (My bad about OOC but is hard to write in RP about those things... Which we can see from your post as well as honestly not much RP in it as well... Or more precisely almost none of it in there.) 

____

As Paul Vitti was getting closer to the door he heard Insta calling his name and speaking some thins which just was very false and so counter from Pauls thinking so he returned back to respond to Don Insta before he leave the room.

1. What you said is false... *Historically my ancestors did not really had so strong guns. There was one of them back in '11 who had gun around 300 kills I think , but I think our lineage didnt meet back then yet. After that ancestor , Vitti family got max to 100-150ish gun which is even for my standards not much and for yours should be even less. Last char was the most I got to and it was around 800 or so... But what are you saying that you want to limit me or other people to train because if we are trained Don Insta must kill us all because of paranoid fear that we would maybe kill him?  I always train my gun when I can as its big part of the game, I just do it very slow as much as time allows me to and if I could I would have capped gun (like all of us would right?) but that doesnt mean that I would turn and wipe out your or some other city. That gun I want to have for the need of defense of my friends and city and ofcourse if our friends called for help I prefer to be able to do more. But Las Vegas under Miss Niki would not start a war with another city that I guarantee! You can belive or not , but I think all of you who knew her are well aware of that.
So you see number 1 why  I want strong gun is... If I survived wack attempt on me I would use my gun to try protect my city and my people thats what I need my gun for the most. 
We can not drop that peaceful city thing because that is what it really was. Miss Niki would never turn on any other city I can sign that anywhere and if you really well know my bloodline then you know that my loyalty is unquestionable and that I would not go against my Chairman's orders even tho some decision I didnt think was good I told that to Niki and still respected the decision.

And you said that well we jumped in to help YOU guys to kill your enemies and I see as reward for helping we got killed by same those people. Lesson for all other players I guess.
And its my blame that we involved in wars as I constantly spammed Nikis inbox that we cant just stay out of war and we gotta pick some side as I felt bad seeing some of my friends fighting while i just stand aside. Then at one moment Niki said alright we are going in join this chanell and there it started. But I never thought that same people we helped in war would take it as a bad sign... You and I have very different point of views I guess.

2. Maybe you are not , I am.

3. I would prefer the truth always. *So LV as a threat is one big lie and false statement. What reason would I have to claim it now if its not true? You already killed us all right? And I can just get killed again for arguing and gain nothing is that correct? So do you think I would lie to you about something like that now?  I was second man of LV and strongest or second strongest gun there so if LV was considering to attack some city I would for sure be consulted about that correct? Well you see I never was and we never ever discussed wipping or attacking another city and I am 99.99999% sure that it would never cross Niki's mind as again she was the most peaceful person I have met in this world of ours. I dont say that it wouldnt cross my mind as I wouldnt tolerate some things she could tolerate, but I was loyal to Las Vegas so whatever her decision would be I would respect it same as I would expect people to respect my decision if I were on her place.
Its nice you guys were happy about it I am glad for you.

4. So we are getting to a point according to Don Insta's rules if you train your gun you die , if your units are up you die :) A bit weird isnt it? What are players of this game supposed to do to be able to play and save themself of paranoia of some people?
 There were many associates for a reason... Because after Blackneck situation I was extremely careful who to promote to Made Man. They still was associates and majority of them had very weak gun btw. Then again there were strong people in past wars who survive as well and pro orders was issued for them still. What I am trying to say is when someone attack you and take out many members of all of our cities you give out pro orders and our city is executed completely for... ? 
I would not ask my people to fight after all of main guns were taken down as I would know they have no chance and I would rather those good people that were with us have fun with their run further than die for me. So it wouldnt be horrible loyalty they would follow order not to fight further and join another crew. As for rogue part , man you dont prevent it you create rogues. Because look those people all played so well and just , its not that I speak just like that it was awesome city with awesome people. Niki was very peaceful leader who would never make a move and so we built up for months just to get wipped in a minute by all other leaders. One friend of mine once told me when you recive a warning that you are going to get killed its in 99% of cases true. I got a warning that day but I thought why would they do it when there is no reason and a friend of mine who was part of group I shared that info with and he made me sure that there is no attack planned... Anyway now I seen that my friend was right so if I can get back the time after that warning I would start killing you to put in some fight at least. And beliveing or not my death didnt bother me at all I thought it will be a bit harder to take but it wasnt. Imagine people who take it much harder, once they have gun of few hundreds they will think "last time I was building just to get killed for nothing so lets just have some fun" and start going rogue. 

I couldnt understand those guys before and I still find it bad and wouldnt do it for the sake of family as I know how much trouble I had with blackneck even tho it wasnt my fault. But I am starting to understand why they are doing it and that is because of guys like you, you create them. 

5. Again a false... But what is one more in the sea of many false constantation given here... My kin didnt put bullet in his head he got killed ;)

 Please Don Insta I am just a mere thug so its not so bad if my speach is low  , but for someone of your stature and rank I think you should check info before making constantation... And I dont mean just on this unimportant part but for all points above.

If that is all you had to ask I would like to close it here or if you want send me a message in private so we dont bug other people of MR about it at least. I dont mind answering any other question even tho its clear that you and me will never agree about any of this.

As for the side note , not all of us are gifted with a great RP skills as you are , oh Grandmaster of RPtities! :D (My bad about OOC but is hard to write in RP about those things... Which we can see from your post as well as honestly not much RP in it as well... Or more precisely almost none of it in there.) 

Firstly there is a difference in "rp" then there is in keeping with context and character (im going ooc myself now, as this speech is already fucked for that) and of course you can keep in charter, its easy, you just have to think about it. But rp and charter and keeping in context are two different things, glad i cleared that one up for you. 

. What you said is false... *Historically my ancestors did not really had so strong guns. There was one of them back in '11 who had gun around 300 kills I think , but I think our lineage didnt meet back then yet. After that ancestor , Vitti family got max to 100-150ish gun which is even for my standards not much and for yours should be even less. Last char was the most I got to and it was around 800 or so... 

Soooo what you're telling me is your father trained a gun, yes?  irrespective if numbers, he trained a gun? then ok, you have just vindicated all my points, no? If he was shooting, why was he doing that, to what end?

That gun I want to have for the need of defense of my friends and city and ofcourse if our friends called for help I prefer to be able to do more. 

 If I survived wack attempt on me I would use my gun to try protect my city and my people thats what I need my gun for the most. 

but it thought Vegas was "peaceful" and passive?   

but Las Vegas under Miss Niki would not start a war with another city that I guarantee! You can belive or not , but I think all of you who knew her are well aware of that.

not one single person during this has said, you are missing my point earlier. Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean at any point you cant and wont, this passive bullshit is getting beyond fucking boring, if im honest. 

Miss Niki would never turn on any other city I can sign that anywhere and if you really well know my bloodline then you know that my loyalty is unquestionable and that I would not go against my Chairman's orders even tho some decision I didnt think was good I told that to Niki and still respected the decision.

 Then you guys where your own worst enemy. C'mon, your line has been around long enough to know thats simply just not how it works. You can not be that naive, surely? 

And you said that well we jumped in to help YOU guys to kill your enemies and I see as reward for helping we got killed by same those people. Lesson for all other players I guess.

Goes back to one of my earlier points, just because you didnt start it, you think thats a passive move? A passive move would be, 

heeeeeyyy maaan, we are all hippies here... love and peace is our motto" 

like everyone else in this place, you train a gun to shoot people. You see war, you shoot. Its simple enough to understand. By the way, so you should, of course you should. 

Then at one moment Niki said alright we are going in join this chanell and there it started. But I never thought that same people we helped in war would take it as a bad sign... You and I have very different point of views I guess.

The lack of full Commitment, the time frame that it took Vegas to enter the arena cost lives. Lives that might have been saved had you guys committed right away. You have already explained that you had to push people to do it. So once again, points vindicated. 

I would prefer the truth always

You was given the truth multiple times, just in my last sentence actually.  

 So we are getting to a point according to Don Insta's rules if you train your gun you die

By proxy you can be seen as a threat, so yea. I dont see your point?  

. I got a warning that day but I thought why would they do it when there is no reason and a friend of mine who was part of group I shared that info with and he made me sure that there is no attack planned... 

Well he did a sterling job, no? 

 And beliveing or not my death didnt bother me at all I thought it will be a bit harder to take but it wasnt.

Of course it did. Thats a lie. Have some decorum. accept your fait and move on and for the love of god, please stop using that fucking word...PEACEFUL.   

Imagine people who take it much harder, once they have gun of few hundreds they will think "last time I was building just to get killed for nothing so lets just have some fun" and start going rogue. 

Thats part of the mechanics, always has been and always will be. Dont think thats solely down to Vegas being killed.   

I couldnt understand those guys before and I still find it bad and wouldnt do it for the sake of family as I know how much trouble I had with blackneck even tho it wasnt my fault. But I am starting to understand why they are doing it and that is because of guys like you, you create them. 

But im om with that, thats how the cycle works. If you think thats something i dont understand, or something that worries me greatly you're very much mistaken. Like ive said all along..PEOPLE WHO TRAIN THEIR GUNS DO SO FOR A REASON , this comment above my friend is just that. Its a cycle. 

5. Again a false... But what is one more in the sea of many false constantation given here... My kin didnt put bullet in his head he got killed ;)

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Donatello

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well going off your whole attitude here, i cant blame someone . 

 Please Don Insta I am just a mere thug so its not so bad if my speach is low  , but for someone of your stature and rank I think you should check info before making constantation... And I dont mean just on this unimportant part but for all points above.

 

This is a free country, freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. PLease dont think that because there is a difference in rank, that you can not come out here and address me or anyone,  please do.  

im sorry that there is soooo many quotes from your last speech in mine, but there was a lot to try and digest, so i though it better to do it this way so its broken down slowly for you. 

Na you didnt make it clear to me grandmaster please share a bit more of wisdom with me. 
I am not out of context for sure, out of character I dont know... I did what I can about it, I write the way I write. English is anyway not my first language , but its clear enough to be understood if you want to understand it I think.

Man I asked you for just one simple thing not to repeat ourself and you ask me a question which I already answered. I always train my gun because what else to do when on game and durden spawn is on? I do prefer to have strong gun so if we are attacked we can defend our city. If my friends are attacked that I can help them and so on... You again should go back and read over and over again until you got it well. I never said passive, I said peaceful. I might not know difference of RP and IC, but you seem not to know far more serious things.
Peaceful doesnt mean we are cowards , peaceful doesnt mean we will not fight back when we are attacked. Peaceful means we would not attack first and therefore we was not a threat to you or other cities. Understand now?
PS: Click on search for word passive you will find 11 on this page (beside in this post I write right now) and all will be writen by you. If thats a new word you learn and brag about it  , well done I am proud of you! But just check out and you will see that you are imagining things I never said and trying to make it look as I did.

And I dont say we couldnt attack , just that we wouldnt. And not now nor later , didnt you notice Niki didnt want to spread even on SEA which she could take without any fight? What possibly make you think she would want to start war with you so she can take your city. Only way to get us involved in fight is if you attack our friends ... Well those we seen as friends at least , or if you attacked us. We would not start attack. So your attack only make sense if you want also to attack city who we considered as our friend so now we will not be able to help them when you go to war , if thats not the case you made a mistake then.

I am not naive , far from that... But again like I said I will rather die with friends then sell them and if we go back in time I would again choose same way. For me loyalty to friends is more important than a small gain of power... But from your attitude I see you surely do not understand it.

LOL lack of commitment? to push them? So our city helped in your wars and I can say it was quite a bit of help considering of our city capabilities and also been putting a lot of effort and you said lack of commitment... So we join the war to help and we get killed for that by the side we helped and like its not enough they now say we didnt commit to it. Bravo! You for sure are a great motivation for people to join your cause! If anyone could leave me speachless it would be you for sure , but unfortunately there is no way to do so except... :D
As for "pushing" Ofcourse you have to discuss before joinning the war , or you just alone go in it without talking to your people? Yes I was insisting on joinning wars as I didnt like to stand aside , but I couldnt push Niki she was our Chairman and if she said no I would respect it she accepted my advise and so we jumped in.

Well you must be on stealth answers because if there is any truth in your words i cant see it! :D I actually think you dont belive what you are saying either , you just want it look good (but its not).

You dont see my point... If you got high units you die, if you got good gun you die according to you. So what are players who want to survive and play a game for a bit longer are supposed to do for your standards? Cleaning the whole city should happen when that city really fucked up, in this case you could just kill GF , CL , hands and maybe few people more and "war" would end. 

Yep , I agree with you, it was awesome job he did for you guys. Now is it worth it , only time will tell.

As for the death part , I cant say it did as it didnt :) I enjoyed that run for sure, greatest run I had and best city I been in, but it took away a lot of time which was already limited so its on some way also a relief. Because of that lack of time I didnt play MR for years and I didnt come back on MR with goal to become Godfather, I came back because some friend basically dragged me to return and I got addicted again and somehow it appear to be my best run ever.  
And man no need for cursing, come on you are a PEACEFUL man! :D lol

I understand its part of it , you had experiance where it show to be safer to wipe out people before they eventually rogue out , but in that wave of killing maybe you did kill few people with such intention but you killed far more people who didnt intend it and in future they might will because of this experiance. And if that is cycle you like its fine. For me would be more entertaining to be less take downs and rogues and more real wars , but game got to the state where its really rare and hard from what I see... But thats just my opinion as individual .

People train their gun not only to rogue and start random killing. You see I like to have a car which can go 280km/h , but that doesnt mean I will drive it at that speed. So I might of could shoot you or someone else down , but yet I didnt nor I considered doing it. If Niki wanted to go to war with a city or you start killing my friends I would jump in and use my gun I dont say I wouldnt do that. What I say and please note this because you obviously didnt understood it ... Las Vegas would not make a first move on your or any other city! If you attacked us and we survived ofcourse we would fight back who wouldnt? But that is self defense.

Ye well my attitude is not the same to all people , I am adjusting to the level of people I talk to.

Oh I thank you for the offer , but I think it will not be neccessary.
And just next time post all whole sentences dont cut it off and quote all of it because then things could go out of context... Maybe that dissease spreads... :D

You again should go back and read over and over again until you got it well. I never said passive, I said peaceful. I might not know difference of RP

ok, ill teach you a little. When out in the streets, you need to stay in character, you need to stay in the correct era, etc etc. Using words like "game" "durden spawn" ":D" referring to your self  when you are talking about past "characters"  etc etc, i could pick wholes in that all the day long. Honestly, English does not need to be your mother tongue to be able to correctly identify the differences. 

Please dont preach to me about repeating shit when all i here is "peaceful"  honestly dude, i could argue the ethics of how this thing works all day long, somehow, even after all these years you fail to understand both mechanically and organically how this thing of ours works. 

 never said passive, I said peaceful.

I really dont see that as a strong argument point to differ. Splitting hairs comes to mind.

If you got high units you die, if you got good gun you die according to you. So what are players who want to survive and play a game for a bit longer are supposed to do for your standards? Cleaning the whole city should happen when that city really fucked up, in this case you could just kill GF , CL , hands and maybe few people more and "war" would end. 

 

yep all correct, i still dont see your point? This happens all the time, "you rank up and you do something about it" its  a mantra thats lived long through this world. You rank up, you train your gun, you make cl, you make gf by proxy that makes you a target, no matter if you like that notion or not ...thats just how this world works.....i fail to understand who you cant/wont comprehend that.

Yep , I agree with you, it was awesome job he did for you guys. Now is it worth it , only time will tell.

going off this convo, absofuckinglutly  and id o it again tomorrow.

And man no need for cursing, come on you are a PEACEFUL man! :D lol

I dont know that the fucking fuck gave you that fucking idea.

 And if that is cycle you like its fine. For me would be more entertaining to be less take downs and rogues and more real wars , but game got to the state where its really rare and hard from what I see... But thats just my opinion as individual .

its not a case of what i personally like or dont, its JUST HOW IT, ITS HOW ITS ALWAYS BEEN!

 People train their gun not only to rogue and start random killing. 

YEP, NEVER SAID.  

as Vegas would not make a first move on your or any other city! If you attacked us and we survived ofcourse we would fight back who wouldnt? But that is self defense.

I STILL FAIL TO SEE WHY THATS RELEVANT. Look at all the wars across the history  of this place, there has been many times a city would nto  and could not go to war, does that mean that they live forever, does it fuck and you should know that. 

ultimately this is how the world works, you live, you rank up, you train, you die. Being "peaceful" being aggressive being shy, it doesn't matter. This is the world we live in, this is how logistically things happen it will never change.

ok

ill pose this question to you: listening to everything you are saying, by your logic because Vegas was "peaceful" and "wouldnt EVER attack anyone" you guys should have been left alone to live forever and to train your guns forever and to rank and run round as you see fit? 

Thanks for that wisdom , I will never forget such a meaningful words! :D

Ye peaceful you did hear, passive you did not. But it doesnt matter not worth to repeat over that.

Its ok it does happen and its all cool, I didnt said you did something forbiden just said it was not right to pro someone who did great damage and then clean the city which has done no harm to you. 

And I dont fail to understand that I am fine with it too... You and I dont understand each other simply. Like I said I am fine with falling , a bit bothered of whole city fell as its not standard procedure in war and it appeared like LV did something terrible to you so it got extra punished. But I do not object about it , whats done is done I dont like it but as you said its the world we live in and anything like that is allowed.

Its not you I am talking about , so how you know absolutely or not absolutely would do it or not :) 

I dont know you just seem to feel bad every time that word is mentioned I guess it bothers you because deep inside you are most peaceful man on MR lol

You might never said it , but your questions with capital letters about why we build gun if we didnt want to make a move made it seems so. And all I say that building a gun doesnt have to be rogue or killing of paranoid people.

And now we are getting to the point... Read my first post here please , you will notice that I didnt complain about falling, I understand its part of this life we have choosen and I was ready for it since I came here. Honestly speaking survived more things than I expected like a cat :D It was a good run for me and that is it. I am surprised how I got this far as well with all wars which were going on wherever I was on my beggining of run.
My complaint is about how this post made it look like a justified fair action which had to be taken because awful LV is a threat like a fu**** nuclear bomb waiting to kill all of you if you dont do it. Its just not true! if you said "we killed you because we could and that is good reason enough for us" I would think of you as a pricks maybe , but I would not have comment on this at all just would congratulate you and carry on. But you are trying to make it like it was nice and just of you to do it because we were a threat (which was shown how? Every time any of our members messed up we paid dearly some grand prices , when our guys got clipped we asked only to get in touch with fallen and help them if possible which was respected by Philly once and few times it never happened... Recently when our guy fell in DT WS never came out at all and ofcourse you know who it was. Point is we could hardly be more cooperative than we did from all parts that I am aware of honestly. And I wish we had someone that cooperative toward us and not to see most of cities go against us) Then second reason was how rogues few months ago came out of our city and that is one of a reasons... Like just recently more of them didnt come from every other city as well.
That all is a bit annoying for me and probably every person who were in LV because we all know its all lies and false statements as we did not intend to make a move on another city. All reasons were very lame and/or false. The only reason why I posted here and which bothered me , about all else I was dragged to discuss about and ofcourse I dont think good of it but whats done is done its all part of this.

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Although your discussion with Insta has degenerated a bit, I think there's a one very simple point to make:

Regarding attacking, you said:

We would not start attack. So your attack only make sense if you want also to attack city who we considered as our friend so now we will not be able to help them when you go to war , if thats not the case you made a mistake then.

In this case, it doesn't matter whether Las Vegas would or would not act aggressively; your statement is immaterial and, frankly, so is the reality of what would have happened. What matters is that you failed to convince the other cities of this, failed to demonstrate value to the other cities to necessitate your survival, or failed to hit them before they hit you- in which case more aggression would have served you well. 

Also, your professed ignorance of how to conduct yourself in the streets is not a virtue- rather, the opposite. It's disappointing to think that someone could reach the rank of godfather and either not understand or not care for our customs and procedures.

Ye peaceful you did hear, passive you did not. But it doesnt matter not worth to repeat over that.

splitting hairs, same meaning. Still no valid point. 

 a bit bothered of whole city fell as its not standard procedure in war 

 since fucking when? We have in the past allowed under made man to survive, yes thats correct. But procedures and standard ones change with each new regime taking over. But these are decisions that are made by the occupants of the cities at that specific time. There is no "standard procedure" at all. Its retaliative at that specific time tot he waring sides.  Ive already given you the reason for this specific time and every gf and crew leader in that war all agreed to this. SO who are you to talk about standard procedure.. i have an idea, rank up, take over and change it. Thats the whole ethos of this thing we have... you simply can not fathom that out. 

But I do not object about it , whats done is done I dont like it but as you said its the world we live in and anything like that is allowed.

 

 

you dont object, really? This is waht you argument has been about.."Vegas  was a peaceful and placid (new noun for you there)  place, we wasnt going to war anyone, there fore we should live on forever " that sound about right?

My complaint is about how this post made it look like a justified fair action

again its all about comprehension and you lack of it. IF a gfc at anyone time determines they want to go to war for whatever reason, they can and they will because as i have said countless times, thats how the world works. They have ranked up and have done something about it... please tell me you understand that. 

That all is a bit annoying for me and probably every person who were in LV because we all know its all lies and false statements as we did not intend to make a move on another city. All reasons were very lame and/or false. The only reason why I posted here and which bothered me , about all else I was dragged to discuss about and ofcourse I dont think good of it but whats done is done its all part of this.

there is no lies, you have been given the truth.... y

The reasons for why the bloodshed occurred are that of the godfather council and theirs alone.  

While I suppose that the kin of the fallen have the right to come out and disagree with it, to think that your goomba opinion holds any significant weight (whether consensus says you're right or wrong) with the godfather council is rather foolhardy.

Las Vegas survived for a long time being a peaceful city, but things change.  They always change.  We as mobsters can either adapt or get put in the ground.  That's about it. 

And, while I am sure it feels good momentarily - Bitterness, complaining, griping and any other form of negative contribution to this world will not get you far. 

Cheers, and may all your bloodlines thrive again someday.

On another note - I must say that I appreciate the time and risk taken to come out and explain things.  It's certainly not needed or required, and I understand why sometimes it just doesn't seem worth it - but it does help us all in the long run I think.  It leads to a better understanding of things around here which I think helps to provide some stability in a pretty volatile world.