I won't lie to you folks, Duggee prob said something inspiring, great, could turn my mind set around in a minute.

I however did not read any of it.

Richard Branson once said: "To be a great leader, you must be a good listener". Choosing to blatantly ignore the mindsets of others and rather shove them off as the type of people who suck the toes of those above them only puts you in that spot instead, and turns you into the type of people nobody wants to look at.

I do not care about your background or your choices, Wood, but turning an opportunity into an attention scheme like you seem to be doing will get nobody to join your "cause" and only lower your expectations and reputation with everyone else.

Regardless of any circumstances or events that have happened prior turning a discussion into an insult game will not benefit anyone nor will it gain any progress forward. If you wish to make a point do so without garnering yourself for attention.

I mean, Duggee, Grin-01 through 06 spent most of their days speaking ill of the regime in power for what he called purging and spent hours upon hours writing entire stories trying to get people to step up and overthrow these evil men. Are you saying he was just upset that he was on the fringe?

Closing your eyes doesn't mean things aren't happening. Tens of people are dying each day right now, most of whom had done nothing at all. You're killing your own cities more than any rogue could ever hope to. While Wood is a moron, he only did a fifth of the random deaths that have occurred this week so far.

Richard Branson once said: "To be a great leader, you must be a good listener". Choosing to blatantly ignore the mindsets of others and rather shove them off as the type of people who suck the toes of those above them only puts you in that spot instead, and turns you into the type of people nobody wants to look at.

Isn't this quote just as apt for the people that are denying the claims of purging? Ignoring their mindsets. Putting them as type of people that are toe suckers? People claiming conspiracy theories without giving it a seconds thought, or looking at the obit list and thinking "Hmmmm, that's an unusually large of family members dying outside of war times." before dismissing it as perhaps just a coincidence.

Thank you for supplying us with an argument suited for both sides, GuyWhoReturned.

 It's definitely appropriate for both sides in this circumstance, for those who deny it and those who fight against it.

It's up to you to choose to ignore or accept certain mindsets or the clauses in these situations, but its certainly clear when a large number of people over and over are killed off with little explanation something is going on. The questions needing answering are what exactly will be done about it, whether people will entirely accept it, or what changes will be made.

Purging is removing certain people based upon who they are behind the keyboard. There is no way for these people to succeed regardless of what they do. Killing people who you don't trust is killing a character because you don't trust them because of the things they have or have not done.

​​​I do the latter. I have been very open about doing the latter. I tell people up front that I do this and have topics in my HQ about it. I do not shoot people from other cities on a whim or maintain a "purge list" of people who need to be killed. Each city polices themselves and beyond the preservation of my city and the families within it, I take very little interest in what goes on beyond Chicago.

I maintain that there is a closed door for very few people and they would know exactly why I would not want to work with them. Everyone else is free to approach me looking for work in Chicago and either prove themselves the old fashioned way,  through actually putting family first and leaving OOC bullshit (like this) out of it or by approaching me honestly about their intentions so that we can work something out.

During my last two characters my RH and LH had never served in those positions before for me. I had never worked with Elodin before. Or Hush. Ragnarok 10 years prior. I've allowed the Kuku bloodline to play. I've authed Billie. I introduced a permanent path to Auth, protected by to me. Prem was my LHM. I continue to reward and give opportunities to people who demonstrate they want to put family first because that is what I value. 

​​​​​The people I killed today included someone who shot an active, an IA, someone who was disrespectful to my RH and then someone I didn't trust. I don't care who these people were beyond their current characters and it was those actions or lack thereof which made me act. You can make a million OOC threads if you like, but that's how I'll still run my crew and my city. I don't think it is unreasonable in any way to do that.

So you deny that you work directly with Disorder and he has said people died only for their age, no matter who they are.

You always talk a great game here, but I am left wanting for this one. You admit you are a piece of shit in the good way, only kill the shit bags (we all agree on that regime wise right, or the ones we know will do dumb shit) Sure but yet you deny, some of those people you have no idea who they were and they were only killed based on age, because you didn't know them. Can't be to sure. Before you reply omg you accuse me of crimes Disorder did.

Birds of the feather flock together, so own your mate's crimes

Tell Disorder to come here and say public that he was fine killing based on age, and nothing else, we will move on.

It isn't agaisnt the rules to say that, so tell him to own it in public like he did in private

I always thought of bloodlining as killing based off of who people are behind the keyboard. While purging is the act of culling those who cannot be vouched for once they become old enough to become a threat. There's no set definition on what is what but that's just how I personally view it.

That being said I have no reason to cry if those in power choose to do it, they've won the right to run things how they want within the bounds of the rules. While I would never purge as I believe it only hurts the game and just ruins it for everyone, I will happily partake in bloodlining known irritants and agitators.

In closing, zing zing zingbah is the worst boohbah.

I won't lie to you folks, Duggee prob said something inspiring, great, could turn my mind set around in a minute.

I however did not read any of it.

typical response of this kind of idiot, 'I cant debate what you saybecause i know it to be true, so I'll just hurl insults instead.'  

Richard Branson once said: "To be a great leader, you must be a good listener".

Richard Branson is a wank. That's all I wanted to add.

What a weird thread. 

I mean yes, they are purging the shit out of people but that's not some new discovery dude. Everyone who might have a chance to do anything about it is already well aware. And obviously the people doing it know they're purging, but it's not like they're going to come out here and admit it. What good would that do them?

Meanwhile what moral leg have you got to stand on after also just shooting a bunch of people for no reason?! I'm sure you'd be the type to not purge given the opportunity lol. It's not like shooting those random guys did anything at all to help, you just saw an opportunity to get your 15 seconds of relevancy while acting like the good guy. 

Your activity is being clocked, being too active or logging in every hour means you’re training your killing skills.

Oh man are you giving these guys too much credit...

Grin-08

I find it interesting your claim that every city polices it's own and you show little to no interest to other cities.

i'm very happy to be corrected if I stand ill-informed here, but I don't think mr Tetley was allowed to police Detroit himself in the last few weeks. Based on my understanding the complete annihilation of his side districts were not ordered let alone desired by him. Yet both districts saw a very swift decline in population a little over 2 weeks ago, with 12th street having seen such a decimation not long before that as well.

Every city does police itself and I don't take an interest in the day to day running of any other city, unless it is a concern to the welfare of my family or those within Chicago. That doesn't mean if I perceive a threat to exist I'm going to do nothing about it. It means that I didn't have anything to do with XYZ getting shot in Las Vegas or the numerous others that get attributed to me. The reality is, people like to use me as an excuse to deflect away from their own actions, mainly because I don't give a shit what the whiny dummies like Wood say about me and they do.

Be quiet man, it doesn't fit the narrative!

Yikes. Poor Premeir resorting to this.

To be honest though, it does explain rather a lot Grin-08

To be fair Grin, what your group of cronies are doing is what he is completely opposed to.  When you signed up under him back in the day you got a fair run and if you were smart it went far if you worked hard and said the right things. One thing he would never do is single out and take out individual people for no reason (in particular his own family) or worse, pretend they did something they did not do like a bad faith actor.

Quite frankly, your rogue, out of family crew is playing a game of deception and thankfully, no one in their right mind believes it.  Although I must admit, it would make more sense for them to shoot at people like you over just whomever they know they can hit. 

Well that's funny, he didn't seem to have any problems when he was part of the bloodlining regime that got DD'd for cheating, so when did this opposition start? Was it when he was in my crew, because he was quite happy then. How about when he was my LHM? No, couldn't have been then either; he was still glad to be on the team. Maybe it was when he was asking me to save Whoreable so she could pursue more OOC bullshit? Nope, wasn't then either. Come to think of it, I've never heard him object in any way at all to the things I was doing. Please provide some examples to the contrary.

And since we are here, let's not generalise. Who have I taken out because of who they are or claimed they did something that they did not do? Try to make your list better than Prem's please, his was so off base, it even embarrassingly  included people he actually killed himself.

 Try to make your list better than Prem's please, his was so off base, it even embarrassingly  included people he actually killed himself.

I'm not defending his list at all, it was long and I can't know for certain the details of every single death on it so I'll just make one statement here and be done with it.  There is a difference between setting the agenda and following it.  Loyalty is following orders and being available for the family, the burden of giving good orders  and making good decisions that are fair to the community falls directly on Crewleaders and Godfathers and no single person can stop it.