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| Get Inside The Animals | Started by: SpikeS on Aug 21, '20 03:38 |
I write this as a commentary on our world. I have not done commentary in a while. I may be a little rusty so ... forgive me for that. I have not been too invested in this world as of late, no eternal scheming or anything like that, though as a professional spectator for the last many months, I have seen our numbers are the lowest I have ever seen. I have spoken to many who have chosen to leave these shores. I have looked over various statistics... I have chosen to stay quiet until now, as I waited to toss in my thoughts. I did not want to be the cause of certain deaths, but now I am free to speak, and I get great pleasure in doing a speech on this topic, as I try to be creative and yet a bit less cryptic. I speak with no direct gain/advancement or angle for myself, other than the tips and kind words that may come, as I only plan on really spectating. I may not be liked by many of whom I address, but perhaps some will find that there is truth in my words, even you. I speak in the hopes to save our community which I and many others so dearly care about. Thank you for listening so far, as you’re along for a ride, and I remind you that this is an addressable problem, and it is first about addressing a problem of honor.
Has anyone noticed how our world seems a bit smaller, less faces on the street, more eerie silences, relatively inactive district heads, leaders that cannot guarantee your safety? Well, if you feel this way, you aren’t the only one. These current issues are derivatives of two major compounded issues: Lightning fast trained guns, and a paranoid leadership. Firstly, you can’t blame people for training faster than they ever have before, and at the same time, second, you can’t blame people wanting to stay alive, through purging. However, there is some room for blame.
Lest we forget, there are legitimate rogues; this is nothing about those. Hunting real rogues is fun. However, the Trio (which will be defined later) is piss poor at actual intel digging, and chooses many times to purge by raw data, age, falsified data, falsified rumours etc. Strategically, this isn’t necessarily faulty, for them (or anyone). The key in that sentence is the “for them” part. Morally, however, it is questionable because of how they use it to beseech their supposed friends, the cattle-leaders, to compromise themselves. This is a key difference between other regimes. Morals are important even in this thing of ours, especially when it comes to a code, someone’s personal honor, the ability for someone to trust someone’s words as valid, the ability to put faith in someone as knowing the right thing to do, the propensity for a leader to know when it is time to act. Failure in those capacities tends not to go so well.
However, due to the aforementioned factors in our world, it makes for a place that very few want to invest time and money into. Can there be changes made to this from on high? Sure, and they probably should. Given the wider availability of bullets and meat which are great in the short term for our idle hands, it would make sense for bullets themselves to be duller. But that sort of change can only be done gradually. Perhaps that can be discussed elsewhere, because nothing on our end can change that so the focus here shall be on worldly things.
Back to the main topic, droves have run away from these shores due to this unsightly climate. To top it off, we have some very angry people at the top with insecurities, who like to bully others, unchecked, which in turn makes the environment here less than desirable to stick around. On that note, some of these angry people even are fueled by hate so much so that they hate people for even existing, but in reality, they don’t really know them. This why their lineage has fallen before. They cannot, much like many other dictators, control that anger, and this usually brings Armageddon down on them. It would be a farce to believe all their moves are based on strategy. I would posit that The Trio or whatever semblance of it has deep insecurities and projects their ANGEREY feelings on various individuals, who they have no real personal reason to “hate,” because that’s the only vague form of self-medicating they have here. It’s quite sad really, but I will soon get to what’s even sadder… How they drag down the others around them.
So, that said, who is at fault in all of this? The core leaders (@Curtis, @Grin-08, @Cohle but he has lost steam, and I suppose @Gash and @Latom but less so) are just trying to keep themselves alive; that is a normal volition. The little youths keep dying, and there isn’t much they can do about it. The answer lies in the bystanders, the true cow pie steppers, dirty boots and hooves and all.
In reality, this world is run truly by maybe three people. The rest are all sub-sects of groups, and below that there are the subs of the subs. They don’t actually matter in terms of true influence or power. The world only really benefits those in that main Trio, and perhaps some of the Eastern boys. Outside of that, the rest are cattle-leaders, holding space with small herds on the farm. However, some of the cattle-leaders are not without power themselves. They choose not to use it because they fear that they’ll be bloodlined or that they’ll be ineffectual by killing just one person or that a domino effect won’t happen. This is the wrong way of thinking.
Our world isn’t shaped by one life. Our lineages span generations. But bad odor sticks to us through generations, passed down by blood, and by bad odor, I mean dishonor, primarily those instances that affect how much they and their offspring can be trusted. What the Trio does repeatedly to these cattle-leaders, is they ask them to dishonor themselves, not for the cattle-leaders’ benefit but rather to benefit the Trio themselves, to maintain power. The Trio asks the cattle-leaders to kill their sub-cattle, even allow the deaths of their sub-cattle-leaders. Big eyed and smelling of earth, the sub-cattle puts their trust and faith in the cattle-leaders. Of course, if the cattle-leader verbally resists, they, and all of their sub-cattle are killed anyway. So as a cattle-leader, one doesn’t have many options.
Now it is time to get inside the animals… In my experience, when you are being likened to farm animals in a strategic sense (most commonly sheepies! BAHH!), and you are capable, you attack. Because if you allow yourself to be dishonored and shamed for a higher powers’ benefit, it does not go away in a single generation or two, and it isn’t something that can be excused away. Which begs the question, what’s the real benefit to even the cattle-leaders standing there mooing, shitting, or chewing grass? This isn’t their show. There’s nothing to have personal pride in for them. They have very little to be self-serving for, very little they can be self-serving for, and even more pitiful is that they have very little they can do to serve their sub-cattle, other than serve them on a plate to the Trio. They are the service industry, with very little tips, and a lot of Karens (Hi, can I speak to your supervisor? @OctopusLegs).
The cattle-leaders are just propping up the Trio’s “dick-wave.” The true personal pride is for the farmhands, the Trio, and yet all the sins of the era will be attributed to the cattle equally, with mostly just headache, sadness, regret, and no real gain. And of course, implicit in this is that the cattle-leaders end up losing their friends and being shamed through their sacrifices for the Trio, which in turn isolates them from others, keeping them right in the palm of the Trio itself.
Are the Trio really any of the cattle-leaders’ friends? Would a friend do that to you? If Pharaoh asks for a little child sacrifice to stop the plagues on his house, what do you tell him? I would sooner shoot my friend and every last member of his to preserve his honor than to force my friend to dishonor himself. How can fresh faced sub-cattle have any Loyalty to cattle-leaders if it is proven that they have no value in this regime other than to fund it, pro, bring in VIP mapping, etc, for a short period before they are tossed into the grinder for sausage. Disposable teens. Cattle. A consumable. Of the current cattle-leaders, how many have lost ties of friendship to benefit the only Trio? Where’s the cattle-leaders’ benefit in all this other than being alive? Is there really any value in being alive at a certain point, especially when shamed as such?
So, with that slew of questioning, how does true change occur? Cattle-leaders should realize that they are nothing more but empty shells to those that really call the shots, those that try to make them feel like the odd man out, and those that threaten them. It’s silly for any cattle-leader to think they are special to anyone in the Trio, an exception to their pragmatism. They are not. They’ve killed people who they have had tighter bonds with than most of the current cattle-leaders. They even killed the person who gave it all to them. Cattle-leaders should have backbone, should act, no matter the odds, and thus should have Honor for themselves, and their trusted sub-cattle. Because without that, the blood of their own sub-cattle people doesn’t wash off their hides, and is forever remembered in the air a stench. Tomato sauce does not rinse this off. Money, begging, pleading, showers, vomiting, kneeling, dancing, prayer, church, and confession do not absolve your offspring from this smell. But please, for those still living, do not hari-kari yourself in your shame. Do something to free yourself from the dishonor of a complacent submissive while you still can because upon death, it’s forever there.
There is no such thing as a wasted shot, only a wasted opportunity for honor and glory. May those that stand up for themselves be championed, and those that sit down be left in their stinky shame. There is no honor in purging your own crew. There is no honor in dying without having tried to have retribution for one’s honor. Redemption is nearly impossible when a docile cattle-leader dies, to the Trio, to Tyler, to whatever, when one has the capacity to inflict damage. Most importantly, as a cattle-leader, there is no honor in failing to honor those under you that honor you. There is nothing more valuable in this world than those that trust you, and you can in return trust. It cannot be purchased and is not easily earned, but it can be easily lost.
If you stand idle around murders on your own land, you are just as guilty.
CLOSING STATEMENT TLDR (for the lazy but curious): The only ones benefiting from any of this are Curtis, Grin, (Tesler), and sorta Gash. No harm no foul on that by them. Everyone else is purge meat, and the other supposed “leaders” are staining their bloodlines in their complacence, and in return, injuring all the regular members in this world. Many of those leaders will be dead in time as well. With this complacency, our world hemorrhages thick red blood out onto a fetid rotting flesh strewn field for solely Their ever-wanting fragile egos. And just to grab a bit more eyes, how about a few more questions? These are the people you’re supposed to put your faith in. How many of them will throw you on the fire? How many of them have thrown your daddy and momma away or simply done nothing but give you a sigh or silence? Will you forget their actions and inactions? It should be noted that perhaps some of those named are truly powerless in all this, so pardon the finger pointing. It's probably better I don't discriminate anyway! Here they are!
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I appreciate the attempt to stay relevant, but this is just an indication to all of the people you're aiming this at of how little you actually know about what is going on. As to your main comments about me specifically; I don't feel hate-filled, angry or that my ego is particularly fragile. To be honest, I get a bit of a kick out of it every time someone pins all of their woes on me when I'm mainly just spending my days laughing at FrankCastle. |
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| Reply by: Grin-08 at Aug 21, '20 06:15 | |
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“Oh my. Look how much effort you have gone to here. How does it feel to have gone all-out with this when it is so fundamentally inaccurate? I think this says more about you than any of the subjects mentioned.” Curtis shakes his head and chuckles. ”Still, well done for speaking for so long. I suppose that’s something.” |
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| Reply by: Curtis at Aug 21, '20 06:47 | |
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| Reply by: TheHotSnowman at Aug 21, '20 06:55 | |
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@Grin (I think this worked this time), this is a disappointing response. I've been relatively relevant in your small private group conversations. To try to equate my "relevance" to my knowledge and assertions comes off as a bit of a weak rebuttal, with no actual counter presented. My comments about hate-filled anger were not about you. You actually tend to be the measured and intelligent one. There are things to admire about your strategy, and I always have respected it. That said, for that reason, your savvy should not be downplayed. It would seem you missed the point of what I've discussed, maybe on purpose to detract. There are no woes about you. You and your guys do what you do. The woes described in this speech are rather about the so-called cattle-leaders, and the negative consequences on our community and on themselves for their complacency. What I have said is not for the benefit of you or yours though I do hope you got a bit of a chuckle from it, as I did put in some attempts at comedy. Curtis, your response is even more frail, but I am not surprised. |
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| Reply by: SpikeS at Aug 21, '20 06:58 | |
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A counter to what? You haven't said anything else I feel the need to refute. This "be a martyr" play isn't new and is very transparent. |
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| Reply by: Grin-08 at Aug 21, '20 07:22 | |
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yet another list I failed to make! Zeb goes off for some spirit lifting ice cream and hookers |
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| Reply by: Zebedee at Aug 21, '20 07:23 | |
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Grin-08 (Yes!) What a cookie-cutter politician's response. Some might say it is impossible to refute fact, though of course many-a-time people try. I don't think The People need you to attempt and struggle to refute it for that reason, unless you'd like to as a Sisyphean exercise. I'd be glad to engage. I have nothing to be a martyr for. A martyr has something to sacrifice; I do not. My ancestry's many dead progeny did not continually die for the purpose of martyrdom so that's a bit of a misread. Good college try there. Gentleman C, like many politicians. |
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| Reply by: SpikeS at Aug 21, '20 07:50 | |
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I'm sorry SpikeS but I have to reiterate what Grin and Curtis have said, you are so far off base in your assumptions about how the world is at the moment its not even funny. The real truth here is that the real sheep are all your friends who have run away and hidden in the old country because they have realised that whilst there is strong leadership, they don't stand a chance. So I can understand when you say "Has anyone noticed how our world seems a bit smaller" its because the parasitic hangers on who have no ability and usually buy their way to the top have found the door of power firmly slammed in their faces, and they can't work out how to change that because the only thing they bring to the table, their money, is not needed nor wanted. We will not be bought like previous leaders. |
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| Reply by: Duggee at Aug 21, '20 08:01 | |
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Duggee - I agree. Virtually anyone can have a chance at leading and, in doing so, get access to the top table leadership in this thing. Once there, they could establish themselves. But that takes hard work and selfless dedication. What really pisses people off (and I say this as someone who liked Spike), is that they, or their friends, aren't *at* the top table. It isn't that there are killings. It isn't that they can't lead a crew. It is that there is someone else in charge. The current regime is open and tolerant. I'm simply a mid level CL, but I have seen enough to know that the numerous allegations levelled against those holding the reigns of power are, at best, wildly exaggerated. |
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| Reply by: Anton at Aug 21, '20 08:22 | |
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There seems to be some real beef here. I am udderly appalled by the accusations. It has to be said, however, that Spike really milked the topic. At a certain point, it was going in one ear and out the udder. The truth is, this is a high steaks job and you've got to have skin thick as leather to do it. Either way, it smells a bit like bull to me. In the future, I may be more receptive to a rallying cry with a less-painfully butchered analogy. |
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| Reply by: Cromwell at Aug 21, '20 08:30 | |
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Zeb stands and applauds Cromwell and his bovine brilliance. I'd try and reach that level but................. ..........the steaks are too high. |
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| Reply by: Zebedee at Aug 21, '20 08:40 | |
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You weren't the martyr, you were just someone who decided to get themselves killed today for spurious reasoning. This entire speech was a call to arms to those you perceived as being led. And to be clear, there is nothing worth refuting because you are very wrong in your assessment of the situation. That happens when you're on the outside looking in, trying to cobble a speech together without any actual knowledge. |
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| Reply by: Grin-08 at Aug 21, '20 08:49 | |
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hmmmmmm distinct lack of beef based punnage there Grin-08 I'll 'hoof' to mark that one as a 7/10 |
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| Reply by: Zebedee at Aug 21, '20 09:00 | |
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Aww think you got someone mad. They prefer brainless members. These are better sheeps. |
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| Reply by: One at Aug 21, '20 09:23 | |
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It would seem my father fell into a manhole cover and died, but that doesn't mean he tripped over his words. I shall continue his path!
I'm sorry Duggee, but this is above your pay grade. You are not at the private dinner tables. My daddy didn't mention any sheepies! He shied away from that. There are many shaggers about. His friends have not run away actually. On the other hand, he had many contacts and acquaintances who have made their exit though. The silence in the coffee shops is shameful. Personally, I don't mind people who try to buy their way up dying whatsoever. Money does not equate to loyalty, but in this era, loyalty does not equate to any reward, but it does bring that shame my daddy described, and sometimes death. What you've said doesn't have anything to do with why people have left though or for that matter, anyone my daddy was connected to. As for your last point, that sounds like a mouthful of fascist propaganda, and off topic of what my daddy discussed regarding the community. There are plenty of targeted deaths. Anton, sure, virtually anyone can have a chance at being a leader, but it's a case of selling your soul, taking on a half-life. And as for whatever my daddy said, it has no bearing on whether his friends are on top or not. I don't expect anything like that any time soon, and that's far from my or my daddy's prerogative, which is more community well-being based and a call to the cattle-leaders to stop the humiliation they face through purging for a higher power. Cromwell, I'm sorry the cattle thing isn't working for you. I know it was very long winded and dense. Perhaps in time it will seem a bit less smelly. My lineage is an acquired taste. Cohle, how are you? Thank you for your input. It had the most sense to it. Very informative, and concise. In the same vein of being concise, why did you leave Clarkson hanging in the breeze over there in your old city, and go mysteriously mute? Is he next? (Damn son). Now onto what you've been waiting for: Grin-08, you just said my daddy was doing a Martyr Play. Now, he wasn't? This seems inconsistent. What was he doing exactly? I see you've taken it as a call to arms. That's interesting. Does that mean for this sort of behavior to stop, the purging and shame that goes to all leaders because of your strategy of killing by the numbers (not to mention the ill effects on the community), people would have to take up arms to (get you to) stop it? Polarizing. My daddy and I have seen quite a bit on the inside, despite being primarily voyeurs. In order to do this, we had to get Inside the Animals a bit. I didn't remove the guts first though, which made a real mess for the both of us. Lots of showering needed. Your palpable refusal to give everyone here some insight in a rebuttal really beefs up my case. (Did you like that Cromwell?) Simply saying something isn't true or that someone is ignorant or "it wasn't me" is not compelling to anyone, a bit of a shaggy excuse. J'accuse! Prosecution rests! Off to the cobbler for some bespoke loafers! |
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| Reply by: SpikeOfThePeople at Aug 21, '20 09:43 | |
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Seeing as my name was one of those you yelled at the end of your mindless rambling, I suppose I should stop what I was doing and throw in my two cents. First of all, you're not making any friends here by trying to manipulate every significant mafioso other than your "core leaders" into taking up arms in support of your imaginary cause. I am not weak minded and am, frankly, insulted by the implication that I am either cowardly or being led like a lemming. The suggestion is laughable to anyone who knows me. I'm sure the likes of Scousepole, Rick Dalton, Gash, Clarkson, and others, Godfathers who have fucking cannons tucked away in their respective closets, are also quite insulted by the insinuation that they are trembling in their boots at this power trio you claim are at the root of all evil. Second, let's take a look at these "core leaders" you mention. This power trio who are leading us feeble-minded twats around to do their bidding. You have Curtis, only recently a Don and not really very old compared to other leaders, who spends the majority of his days volunteering at a local children's hospital and making Seattle a better place to live and visit. You have Grin-08, who is only recently a Consigliere and is so fucking lazy that he has to have Anton tie his shoelaces, care for his mentally deficient son (Grin-10), and cut his food up into small bites so his old ass can chew it. He is also much less attractive than I am. Finally, you have Cohle. Cohle? A fucking Wiseguy who can't even be bothered to get up out of bed most mornings? Are you fucking kidding me? This is the power trio who is behind every perceived wrong in the world? Like I said in the coffee shops, you're delusional. You're a martyr, all right. But not in the way you would like to be. SpikeS died and served only to illustrate a point I have made in other discussions. There is no purging. There are only idiots who say and/or do stupid things that get themselves killed, and their kin later come out with claims of unjust treatment. SpikeS came out here throwing allegations at two crew leaders and one lazy wiseguy, then insulted a handful of others by claiming we were nothing more than...what was it? Cattle leaders? A hearty "fuck you" to you on that one. I didn't want to speak so harshly to you, as I enjoy our banter in the coffee shops, but you have insulted me and many others here today. So, yes, you are a martyr today. You died to prove a point. Unfortunately, that point is not that our leaders are evil tyrants who kill people for no reason. The point is that you get shot in the head if you come out to the streets and piss off every person in power. |
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| Reply by: Nipples at Aug 21, '20 09:52 | |
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Yeah SpikeOfThePeople, once more, just like your father, you have shown a marked failure in knowing exactly what is going on, who sits were and were the real power in this thing lies. If you keep grasping at straws, you may eventually grab some, so yeah, go you! |
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| Reply by: Duggee at Aug 21, '20 10:15 | |
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It's actually Jono calling all the shots. |
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| Reply by: Tetley at Aug 21, '20 10:37 | |
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When the community prefers to work with Anton’s lineage over Spike’s linage, that speaks volumes about you. Run back to the coffee shops so you can stalk people and make silly faces at others |
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| Reply by: Ragnarok at Aug 21, '20 10:52 | |
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