Again since when is the practice of shooting unsponsored gangsters something that is seen as against game rules, or whatever we're being punished for. 

So, it's happening then. 

Squishy I agree that the words of one may have been a bit harsh, and more time to explain the situation may be in order for those that didn't understand. Having said that my interpretation from the meeting today wasn't to target gangsters or to refresh on people becoming gangster. My interpretation was to

1: Not keep anyone down like we all agreed on in the thread.
2: Handle things like we have for the last 15 years, an unsponsored gangster is a good kill (*). A bit more important these days since they can shoot anyone without being in a crew getting auth
3: The CLs agree to address rogue shooters (not just rogues), by using critical thinking skills to make an educated guess as to if it was auth or not. IE: LHM kills his own crew member - hes probably not going rogue. but if a goomba shoots at another families RHM - then kill him
4: Leaders will either mail or post in funerals if a kill needs to be investigated.

* To further address #2 we should continue to recruit like mad, try to encourage new and /or returning players to join a family. I think what was said was probably misinterpreted as KILL ZEE GANGSTERZ! When in fact it was more guided towards being a bit more diligent in monitoring the lower ranked - if they don't seem interested in joining a crew, despite being advised of whats important and then become an unsponsored gangster, I think that is, by design, a good shoot?

There are already safe guards in the game to discourage people from hunting newbs.. like the -1 and 4h (resulting in no +1) - If the leadership take the effort to get someone crewed up and the user refuses, I think this is part of the status quo to shoot, untagged, unsponsored gangsters? No?

Maybe the difference is, before it wasn't worth the -1 or not getting the +1 when you did it - now there is a benefit to it. saving the effort you put into your character by avoiding a potential 1%.

You know me, I want you to continue to make money and the more people you can bring into the game the better it is for you and the future of the game. I really want that. I wouldn't have been here for so long if I didnt want that for you and the game, but you also have to think about the amount of effort the other players are putting in. I just dont want one bad gangster or on bad crew leader for that matter to mess things up for everyone.

I dont think we are increasing scrutiny on under mades. I think we are increasing scrutiny on uncrewed gangsters, specifically. Someone that is crewed and then trying to 1% is a little easier to manage,  you can remove their gun, for example or see where they are... uncrewed is different. you have to assume that the user either really doesn't understand (shame on leadership for not helping), trying to pull a fast one or just getting their hustle in.

If someone wanted to move families because they weren't happy in mine, I wouldn't have an issue with that. it happens all the time. why keep someone that is unhappy? Thats not good for either party.

Even over made man would be fine, although I would question both me and the made man for going through all of that just to move out..

the logs were posted

Squishy - that's a fair arguement and makes a ton of sense. I guess I didnt think of the perspective of, "im a bad guy, create my account log off wait 24 hours then log in and shoot."

its a decent perspective - im just not sure how we counteract the bad guys and the good guys. is a couple bad gangsters getting lucky taking out a don just because hes a don worth a new member? we all have committed in the back alley thread to not doing what started all this. 

is the fact that we all agree with that the answer? this last meeting was how we were going to handle the no auth thing until it was coded back in. this was never meant to be a new norm.

at the end of the day, you asked for us to give our word (we sucked at it and did it late) but have now, this is reacting to us not reacting, now you are reacting again to us reacting to you reacting to us not reacting.. lets get together and talk about where we want to be and how we get there?

Its hard to resolve the issues that got us here when everyone is shooting at the leadershio. The current leaders are unable to move beyond the image of being kill hungry because they are constantly being shot at. If the only way to ensure you dont lose your hard work is to kill because of changes made by Admin then of course people will shoot.

Those gangsters pose a risk. Find a home or take a dirt nap. Alternatively, there would be an infinite number of pro'ers returning from the dead over and over.

wow all i can say here to the point, what happen for the 7 days get a crew. Some are new players learning the game before joining a crew. With that rule i would been killed every time i got to gangster then you have no crew. i applause all CL wouldn't follow that rule. But since i never saw the logs , I can only go by what i read here I might be wrong.

I agree Squishy is trying fixed the game but wonder if this way to do it.

I see not one crew leader has the balls to post the unedited logs. Nothing new about this. They schemed to purge unknowns @ 45 days or anyone building a gun they didn't like and now gangsters are fair game. You leaders suck.

Lmao, how little you know Hoosier