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| Declaration of the People | Started by: Vintage on Sep 14, '20 00:45 |
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Declaration of the People. We the people of this thing of ours find these facts to be true. That each of us is afforded the right to equal advancement regardless of who we know or do not know. Advancement will be based on merit alone; who you know will no longer be the deciding factor. That each city aught to be autonomous from each other city. That no outside city official ( Crew leader, or hand) or outside city leader ( Godfather) have the authority to demand the death of another cities Crew leader or hands. That all members and associates of this thing of ours be afforded the same equitable opportunity to rise in the ranks of thing of ours. That it is the obligation of the members and associates of this thing of ours to over throw any regime that does not abide by these natural laws of this thing of ours.
This Declaration of the People has been set forth by the Founder of the People for Healthy Progress. |
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I hate to be pedant, but why would 'natural laws' need a declaration? just asking, not trying to be a dick. |
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| Reply by: Ron_Swanson at Sep 14, '20 10:50 | |
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Fair question Ron_Swanson.
Because some people do not understand that these are natural laws. The people are the ones who break these natural laws, and make this thing of ours toxic. These are not my declarations, but the declarations of the people. They are scared to speak up, yet during private meetings of the People for Healthy Progress have expressed that they feel these are the natural laws in this thing of ours that have been systematically ignored, and more often than not abused. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 14, '20 12:25 | |
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This is the Mafia, not a democracy, you don't have human rights or however you want to dress it up. The man with the biggest gun makes the rules, and there are two ways it can go, you obey the rules and live, or you disobey the rules and you die. This is how it is, how it was, and how it always will be. You are only of value to the leaders until you are not, and I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is the reality of the situation. My family have aleays tried to be nice, we have always tried to give folks a fair chance, and it has always ended in our deaths. Here at least, nice guys do come last. |
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| Reply by: Zek at Sep 14, '20 13:05 | |
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The people need clarification of your statement. By your statement are we to understand you will continue this purging mentality, the mentality of friends over family? Which undermines this thing of ours. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 14, '20 13:39 | |
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The people? The people? What people, you mean the chode suckers who have finally crawled out of their holes to have a pop at someone cos their crying to the Gods got the rules changed? I have not purged anyone, none of my ancestors have ever purged anyone. I will however kill anyone who is a threat to me or any member of the cobblers, because thats what it means to be a leader. My family have been CLs 3 times since this regime took power, and i defy you to find one person who was purged from any of their crews. |
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| Reply by: Zek at Sep 14, '20 13:59 | |
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it's the mafia and whatever we do, we find trouble and that's the way it is. Me? I just make my money and try to keep boss happy Seen lot of death and I want to be safe. And rich |
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| Reply by: KILLER at Sep 14, '20 14:07 | |
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The people are just that the people. I do apologize you can't understand that simple concept of the people. Do not blame yourself for not being able to comprehend who the people are, that is my fault. I will try to be clearer in the future this is probably rooted in not being more descriptive in my speech.
I would ask that you not be so defensive in your response. The people may take your defensiveness as actually hiding your support of purging. If you are not supporting the purging concept of this regime, then you should not be so defensive over the question posed by the people. Thank you for taking the time to respond. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 15, '20 00:15 | |
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Thank you KILLER For sharing your sentiment. We may be in a mafia environment but the mafia culture is not there with the undermining of the meaning of family by outside city forces, and purges of the young ones in this thing of ours. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 15, '20 00:22 | |
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The people thank you for your monetary support you unknown benefactor. <3
You have no idea who I speak for or who the people are, or how many there are. So I would appreciate it if you would take your false accusations else where. You may however continue to support the people financially if you would like to continue . I will make sure the people use it to better this community. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 15, '20 00:28 | |||
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I don't think an outsider can demand a death per se, but I think they can expect that certain rules of this thing of ours need to be kept in order to keep it flowing smoothly. One of the ways that happens is when a single troublemaker gets called up for their crimes rather than a wipeout of them and everyone they associate with. |
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| Reply by: Ham at Sep 15, '20 03:27 | |
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Ham the people have many records that prove that at least with the current leadership, yes someone from outside a city asked for the death of people not in their city. And the city they lived in the family they worked for sold them down the river. Undermining the meaning of family in this thing of ours. I know it is a hard pill to swallow , but that is the facts. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 15, '20 13:04 | |
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I'll give you an example her Vintage, and you tell me how you would resolve it.
You are a Consigliere of a 22 person crew in Chicago. The Godfather Chairman of New York messages you and says 'I really don't like your member 'A', he was rude to one of my members in the street. I want you to kill him, or I will. Do You: 1. Kill member 'A' 2. Refuse, have the GFC kill him himself, and maybe wipe your whole crew at the same time. 3. Don't kill him and instead take your crew to War against the GFC and possibly the whole of NY, killing all 22 members in a blaze of glory. But hey, you still have your honour.
Just in passing, may I remind you of rule of Acquisition #109, Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack. |
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| Reply by: Zek at Sep 15, '20 22:30 | |
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The answer is #3 Zek, barring extenuating circumstances of course. Sure, if a member of your city is off the wall and out of control, then yes, you put them down. But if it is a minor, or perceived slight, than you stand up for the family and the city first and foremost. |
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| Reply by: DickGrayson at Sep 15, '20 22:36 | |
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So if the answer is 3, and is always 3, what is wrong with that GFC and his men just riding into town and wiping your entire crew without even sending a mail asking you to kill your member? Why bother sending that mail when we all know how this will end anyway? The come in and 'purge' your crew and that way they save their own members from dying. If you are in a position where you might win, sure fight, but I fail to see the nobility of killing your entire crew in a hopeless no one situation. |
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| Reply by: Zek at Sep 15, '20 22:44 | |
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There is a difference between someone coming into town and lighting things up than you removing someone within your city over outside influence Zek. Honor is an important thing. I’d rather stand for my beliefs than bend the knee. I would hope that if I had a crew, that my family would feel the same. It sucks to be killed but I’d feel a whole lot better about it if it was in resistance to outside forces. |
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| Reply by: DickGrayson at Sep 15, '20 22:52 | |
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Zek I think you have mistaken the People's Declaration which is a formal statement as asking for permission. The people are not not asking for permission, they are making a statement about the natural laws of this thing of ours. The peoples only intent is to end the purging( killing because you are not a long time friend on whatsapp Blvd or Discord Ave. or whatever street or coffe shop not available to the rest of us for whatever reason) ideology that you and many seem to think is a healthy way to keep this community intact as a community. You and the other purging supporters have to realize it is killing this community quite literally killing this community( the game). Unless you and the purgers do realize that it is killing the community and that is your intent. If that is your intent as it appears to be, then you are an enemy the people. The people want this community to be here and to be a healthy one for all associates and members alike. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 15, '20 23:49 | |
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@ Zek you know what I redact the fact that it was stated you and the purgers and say the purgers. But your rhetoric seems to be supporting their tactics. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 15, '20 23:54 | |
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Well that would certainly be one for the books, because it hasn't happened yet in 16 years, so how do you plan on bringing these demands to fruition? Death is and has always been a part of this life, and the removal of people, districts and whole cities on the orders of one or two individuals has always happened. Are you planning on outlawing death? You keep calling me a purging supporter, but I am no such thing. I have never supported death for deaths sake, but the majority here do, regardless of who is in charge. Will you be here in 6 months time when the next regime purges people. How about in a year, or 2 years. Will you make speeches and rattle sabres when your friends are the ones doing the killing instead of those in power at the moment? |
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| Reply by: Zek at Sep 15, '20 23:57 | |
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The removal of districts and crews is not how the people have defined purging. Would you please attempt to comprehend the peoples definition of purging, maybe if you did you would not sound like you are defending it. I personally have not rattled any sabers or swords or guns at anyone. I have not personally directed anyone to either. I am only the face of the people, the spokesperson. I am not their leader that is someone else. I speak what they have spoken to me. Nothing more nothing less. There are other ways the people who do not support purging still manage to promote wars, and take downs. Maybe ask them how they do it. I am not sure if you realize that this is a turning point in this community and you are in one of two camps those who support purging ( which is killing this game) or those who do not support purging. So Zek Which group are you in? The people want to know, because why? Your arguments to appear to be supporting it. |
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| Reply by: Vintage at Sep 16, '20 00:08 | |
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