Now, on to Detroit. 

A city famed for its bootlegging and its member whores, and its ignorant leaders. 

Exhibit A

To: X (For privacy reasons)
From: Don_pav
Sent: Jun 03, '11 22:39
Subject:


hey ho ar things?do you need any help or maybe you are looking for a family

Now, this is individual is a Made member in Detroit, which is even more shocking. FOX was given the opportunity to respond and we discussed the matter. I am happy to disclose the conversation. But it highlighted the same underling issue:

We have become a society obsessed with quantity over quality. Stop playing ignorant as to what goes on in your crews and in your cities, ultimately, the way a family member behaves in public is a representation of you as a leader and the people who put you in that position. Yes, there are always bad apples, but this is not what is being discussed. 

Allowing your members to send out such rubbish as posted above is poor form indeed. 

He didnt actually invited you to family. He just asked you if you are looking for one.

Excellent. Perhaps this would be better brought to the attention of the Godfather of Detroit, as opposed to the uncaring masses on the streets who will yawn, sigh and look at you with pity in their eyes. We've heard it before, it happens and eradication is an unrealistic goal.

Furby, that is the wrong attitude. I have a voice, and I will use it. 

It is enough of leaders and their Godfathers hiding behind closed door. If they are unable to control the behavior of their members, especially ones that they deemed worthy to become made, then that is a sad state of affairs. 

Slinging filth in our streets is a sad state of affairs. Obviously, the only people that give a shit about your whoring antics are those that are as unruly as yourself (With the exception of Canucklehead, as she brought forth valid points). So, take it up with the Godfather in question or shut the hell up.

Panda, again weighing in with your aggressive remarks. 

Once again, you are a leader, the way you conduct yourself in public should matter to you. 

I care less about the way I tell you to fuck off and more about the way business is handled in our streets. If you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. There are proper channels to go through when you feel you have been treated unfairly. Approach the Godfathers in question. Funny, considering I'm quite sure most would say exactly what I have. If you bring shit to our streets, prepare to be treated as such.

Panda, is this really how a family leader should be acting in public? Running your mouth like that? 

I do not consider telling you to clean up your act running my mouth. Forgive me for attempting to keep order in the streets, or is that not part of my job as a crewleader?

Panda, you are weighing in with your foul mouth on something that does not concern your city at all.

Chicago has not been mentioned in anyway. 

This is not a matter of Chicago, Huxley. As I have stated previously, this is a matter of our streets. You come here, flinging bullshit and insults at numerous cities, expecting no one to step up to you. If you wish to suggest a solution for the issue in which you have a problem with, there are appropriate places to do so.

Panda, again, you need to stand down. A man of your statute has no reason to continue to run his mouth. You are a representative of your city. 

Panda, you have no business enforcing the streets. You are supposed to act better than this as a crew leader. 

I have business to do what I feel is best for our society. As I have stated, you have put forth no suggestion or even attempted at a reasoned discussion. You have said nothing of merit and simply wish to agitate those that you can't touch. You have insulted four cities, including their Godfathers, yet you feel you are entitled to free speech and believe that I should not step in and help control our streets? I'm not sure what warped world you are from young man, but it is obviously not this one.

I have made allegations at 3 cities Panda. Detroit, New Orleans and St Louis. Only one Godfather (St Louis) has chosen to remain hidden on the subject, the others have offered their opinion. 

You are weighing in to a matter that does not concern you. You have resorted to name calling (implying I am sh*t). Thank you for highlighting your character to everyone. Am amazed that you did not have the restraint to know when you should just stop. You are the one who has something to lose after all. 

To: Tables
From: Incendie
Sent: Jun 01, '11 21:38
Subject:


Need a family?

This was in my first 5 minutes or so of landing. No hi, no greeting, no "are you new here", just straight up member whoring; and this man is a fucking capo. I hate to bring it to the streets, and I know I'll suffer for it, but it seemed appropriate.

So, because I have something to lose, I should let our streets go to shit and not say anything? It seems that's what you're implying. I should just let you romp about, slinging all of the insults you wish at whom you wish, perhaps. What kind of Crewleader would I be then? Whether I, or my city has been sleighted in your attempt at disgracing cities is of no importance. Yes, I will call you shit, because that's what you are. If you approached this subject in the manner that someone such as Caknucklehead, perhaps I would be more lenient. However, you've done nothing but make three speeches, if you can call them that, reciting private conversations with sponsors from cities. It was quite obvious that you've had no intention of joining a family from the beginning and your goal is to disgrace people. Perhaps I have shown my character to people outside of my city, but is that not what people have been screaming about for the past month? Crewleaders not talking? Which is it young man, would you rather us go away and never speak or would you rather us speak up when we fill the need? You claim you've had discussions with Godfathers and they have offered their opinions, however this recitation from another of your speeches rings true:

To: Huxley
From: RoRoG
Subject: Member's invitation to join New Orleans

Like you going around having a heart attack every time someone whores you?

Get your head out of your ass.

It would seem that the likes of RoRoG would agree with me. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about member whoring. It is a part of our society and when one person does it, nearly everyone else must as well. If you feel so strongly about it, do something constructive instead of whining like a bitch.

Panda, you are weighing in to something that does not concern you.

You are not the street enforcer. You have no authority to tell people what they can and cannot say. 

There has been no allegation about anything to do with Chicago. This has nothing to do with you. 

"So, because I have something to lose, I should let our streets go to shit and not say anything?"

No, you should conduct yourself properly, and not sling insults at everyone you disagree with. Say something sure, but you don't have to riddle it with curses and insults.  You say "If you feel so strongly about it, do something constructive instead of whining like a bitch", when really, this is exactly what you're doing

So, that's what you've resorted too? Not even hearing what I have to say? Poor effort my friend, poor effort. You've repeated the same thing several times now without even addressing what I am saying. Yet, this looks badly on my character? I disagree. If you can't even handle a debate, you have no business in our streets at all.