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Detroit's Protection Order Started by: Bettino_Casimiro on Jun 13, '11 05:06

As most of you have seen Don Benton Frazer has been taken from us so early by the Gods for a mistake. His ex-members are on protection, a list would be provided soon.

Thank you very much everyone, please make sure to notify your hitters.

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Putting a Nazi officer saluting a swastika as your crew banner isn't really a mistake. It is simply being stupid. It took great restraint to only kill the CL/RHM/LHM and not to kill all members of the crew who displayed that crew banner on their profile.

Hate all you want in the privacy of your own home, but in public that is not acceptable. This wasn't a slip of the tongue on IRC, this was knowingly and willingly put out for the world to see as their crew banner which represents the crew.

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Amen, Squishy.

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You can't kill the crew members for putting the banner when it isn't their choice what to do sir. You are the one who coded that feature to be set by the CrewLeader and his hands only. Those members had nothing to do with it. So killing them would have been nothing but an exaggeration of your punishment.

My point was he had mistaken by putting the logo and the salute, I never said you were mistaken Squishy.

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Though I do not in any way support the usage of a swastika or any Nazi affiliation, don't you think simply warning them/telling them to change it would've been sufficient also?

Yes, it is stupid, but removing it and providing a warning would have been just as easy. A swift kill-all without any sort of warning seems a bit brash.

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What's to assume there wasn't a warning?

Even if there wasn't, you should have enough common sense to realize that swastikas should just be stayed away from.

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Apparently the kill-all was the warning you do get for using a Nazi affiliation. The punishment would have been a ban, according to Squishy.

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"don't you think simply warning them/telling them to change it would've been sufficient also?"

Removing their accounts was the warning. Banning would be the next step if the first warning was not well received.

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Agreed with Squishy. Things like that shouldn't be tolerated.

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Here's a list of the protected members:

Hitarro02
Honse
ReubenBrumwell
Johnny_Ravioli
-Selena-
TommyDiNatale

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Every member of every family chooses to stand behind their crew leader once they accept the invite that is sent to them. By staying in the family they chose to accept the banner as well. They wore it just as proudly as their crew leader did.

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Sir, the banner may have been put after some of them had already joined. If that happened, they couldn't have just left. Besides you can't go with someone because of their personal believes about something not related neither to our world nor our community.

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They wouldn't notice a giant swastika tattooed on themselves?

Also, I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence. Could you clarify?

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LoveGun raised her eyebrow.

Sir, I think you may need to get your eyes examined.

She looked the man up and down before continuing.

There is always a choice, if there were any members that no longer wished to work for a crew leader that placed highly offensive images in the banner him and all of his members wore they could have attempted to get away as best they could. If they didn't want to go that route, then they would stand behind their crew leader, just like I said before.

I do not understand why you felt the need to tell a god what they can and cannot do. They are above you and you're lucky the gods did not kill the rest of the crew as well. I also do not understand why you are arguing this matter. The members were saved. The end.

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Though i do not agree with the swastika as what it will stand for after the second world war i am inclined to ask the question:

Why just Benton?

We have crewleaders with people getting shot in their banners, We have leaders who still hold the name of the inquisition on their profiles which was to bad if my history books taught me anything, Even so, being that we live in a world before WW2 the swastika was not taken as a sign of evil if i am correct rather a very religous symbol that of hope. This being A time an era being before WW2 a hopeful sign is not allowed for ones family? I know im a moron but i do not mean any disrespect to anyone especially the leader of New York who i serve, all i am doing is questioning the move of the administrator. Please do not take any of my words as a personal attack.

I guess it falls under the idea that this was racism but i never heard Benton say anything negative about Jewish people or any kind race at all. The arguement here would be that you wouldnt have to his banner did it for him, well his banner also said the New Picture of the swastika was placed under For those that do not know, the meaning of the Swastika was "To Be Good"

I dare not wish to start a world war or anything of that nature but i just have a hard time understanding this. However i think if we were playing by the rules then running a prostituion ring is infact pornographic which is against the laws. Buisness districts that contain people having the ability to objectify a woman to nothing more than an animal is not only morally wrong but it also is that against the rules. Hey why not run a prostitution ring though its not harming anyone now is it? Except the very dignity of that of the human body.

This is not a stand against the life we live this is just the stand against what i find to be hypocricy. Now if you excuse me i must attend to my dressing room where i will wear my red and yellow outfit to the match tonight.

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"a very religous symbol that of hope."

That might be true but someone doing a Hitler salute next to it certainly isnt a sign of peace

Drop the issue Hogan, this is one argument you are going to loose.

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Hogan, we can't hide behind the history of the the time period. While sure, the game is set in the 20s/30s, everyone can agree its not beneficial to the players nor appropriate to reenact the Tulsa race riots with white hoods and rope in hand.

I'm not even sure why this needs further discussing :/

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"However i think if we were playing by the rules then running a prostitution ring is infact pornographic which is against the laws. "

You are totally right. And when I see someone using pornographic pictures, they too are taken care of. Browse the profiles, crew banners, links and you'll notice the extreme lack of genitalia being displayed here. While sure this is an 18+ site, a lot of players play from work, school, or situations where pornography and swastikas alike, are not socially acceptable to be displayed on monitors.

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I offer my white flag and humbly accept defeat.

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Swastika's have no place in our world period and i for one commend Squishy's actions, millions of people died under that banner and those shall never be forgot so to put that up shows a total disrespect to all that lost their lives.

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