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RULE CHANGE: Asking under made their past name reversal | Started by: Squishy on Apr 27, '21 06:48 |
A few years ago we put in a rule to help players get out from under the firm grip of the KGB mentality - demanding papers from everyone at every turn. With the new version of the game on the horizon new users will be landing at our shores and really won't be prepared for the grilling that some of the paranoid uppers can put them through. I hope that adjusting this policy will nudge the community in the right direction where common sense prevails over paranoia. The original rule was intended to curtail bloodline harassment. However, since its implementation, it has had some negative effects on the community. It has created an extra layer of paranoia, even on lounge, which has made people reluctant to engage socially with each other since people were required to dance around the rules to find those who they were familiar with. Additionally, it has created a scenario in which upper structure is more likely to "purge" out those under made that they do not know, since they cannot ask. One principal to handling the rule was to promote people at 11 days to open up the ability to ask, but for uppers, in most cases, there was no incentive to do so. Finally, members who were promoted were able to be dishonest just as they were before the rule was implemented, and so the rule did not have any grand effect on preventing bloodline harassment itself. The negatives have outweighed any sort of benefit. Since the rule's implementation, there have been very few actual infractions of the rule because uppers would either promote someone and ask, leave them at wiseguy forever and keep a watchful eye on their growth, or simply would just shoot the unknown under made. The rollback of this rule does not mean that bloodline harassment will be tolerated. Additionally, any rules regarding requests of character history are still in place, and will be dealt with harshly. Lounge hostmasks are still anonymous and cannot be used for tracking an individual between accounts. Those who are under made and do not wish to share their bloodlines are as always able to lie or fake their backstory. However, in most instances, much of the community would probably prefer to answer such a question honestly (or at least have a confident backstory ready) as some familiarity reduces paranoia and may curtail purging and other side effects of having to dance around the whole topic. So let us proceed with some common sense. Lets hold each other accountable for diving too deep into paranoia and seeing monsters under every bed and in every closet. Sometimes a new player *is* simply a new player. |
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So there's no changes? |
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Reply by: BlackHat at Apr 27, '21 06:52 | |
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https://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/951655 is more information on the rule that has been reversed. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Apr 27, '21 06:59 | |
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Thank you |
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Reply by: BlackHat at Apr 27, '21 07:04 | |
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Wow that is some beautiful wording, Squishy. Well done. |
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Reply by: Olivia at Apr 27, '21 08:38 | |
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Also TL;DR DONT BE A DICK Y'ALL |
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Reply by: Olivia at Apr 27, '21 08:57 | |
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I can get behind this Im batman |
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Reply by: Duncan at Apr 27, '21 11:00 | |
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So a couple questions because this is kinda grey area for me at least. Obviously by reversing this rule you are saying that bloodlining is acceptable to some degree. So what is that degree? Can the player base bloodline people they find that condone rape culture, or players that think it is okay to black mail in game even though it is illegal in real life? And yes blackmailing people is covered under internet crimes. Don't give me that rigamarow about us playing criminals we are playing criminals not actually acting it out. Or players that nearly destroy the community with taking advantage of game glitches? Now I know these types of players did get some sort of punishment's due to the acts. But behavior speaks more truth than words. So is this reversal so that the paler base has more control of these types of players? |
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Reply by: TheDame at Apr 27, '21 16:52 | |
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My two cents, for what it's worth. Wanting to know someones bloodline (you see it, even now, with 2-3-4 day old Hands) is funny to me. If I was so and so and died. I'd come back as, either the same name (which I've done a few times and many still do), a different name that shows relation to past account (was Sam White, now John White) or a new name. 99% of the time this is what most do. And the way it should be. I get the paranoia aspect of wanting to know, but if you weren't a dick last run, why worry this run. Or if you were an ass, either change or expect the same treatment/mistrust. As far as wanting to know for fear of a rogue or bad element and protecting your family .... a rogue would lie about past names. There in lies the dilemma. Is there a way to fix this, no. People will always want to know about you. The idea of Uppers doing a "purge" because they do not know so and so shows those who should maybe be middlers and not uppers? I have died many times as wise guy or under, if it was because of all out war ... 100% respect that. If it was because you didn't know me, well then that makes many of my deaths seem logical now. HAHA. Squishy, I don't think there is a real fix for it. No matter what you do or rules in place some people will always see monsters under the bed. If you want to know about my past, ask me. I'll either tell you or not. Will I copy/paste a screen shot of my Character History for you ... of course not. Should I be shot for it??? The whole concept of NOT knowing is what puts the spice into life. |
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Reply by: Ben_Dover at Apr 27, '21 18:55 | |
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See thats the problem. Man I am just a social guy with a shit memory. I don't know who Ben_Dover is, but if we were talking and you made it sound like we knew each other, I as a crewleader couldn't be able to ask who you were without fear of causing issues. It makes the flow of conversations really awkward as we dance around the elephant in the room (which probably even isnt an elephant actually). Removing the restriction and just encouraging people to create their own backstory if they are paranoid about their past in the end probably is the better direction than trying to get everyone on the same page about something so fundamental about conversations that is more often than not is harmless. It was easy back in the day of IRC where you kept the same name, but with people on a new name every time, its pretty quick to lose track of someone who you genuinely enjoyed the company of. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Apr 27, '21 20:58 | |
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Bloodlining has never been illegal, never will be. When someone fucks up, sometimes they need to be killed until they course correct. With some people it may take several tries. Bloodlining also works both ways. The CL that kills the wiseguy. Wiseguy comes back to target the CL - vs - Wiseguy kills CL. CL comes back to target the wiseguy. Its works both ways. There is no way to determine/verify/enforce anything bloodlining via code - so its best if the userbase holds each other accountable.
Every player has a gun used to enforce their will. Every player is in a family that can be used to enforce their will. Every family has allies that can be used to enforce their will. Players are only alive because the entire site as a collective agrees that they should be. The worst of the worst is only alive because through inaction, the bar is set to encourage the lowest common denominator.
As with the past, the present and the future, I will be more than happy to work with your local authorities with any information they require.
The entire userbase has the power to remove anyone who is undeserving of their status. If the standards are below your liking, hold your crewleader accountable. They in turn hold each other accountable. Which in turn holds the entire userbase accountable. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Apr 27, '21 21:29 | |
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Squishy My comment "I'll either tell you or not" was for the KGB agents out there. If I talked like I knew you, I'd let you know. Several people on here were a blast to talk to and/or be in a crew with over the few years I've been playing. Hard to reconnect without rule breaking, so I see your point. It would seem social distancing has hit MR as well. Do we have to wear makes? Wait, we are ..... I'm going back to my Loony Tunes cartoon and ponder this quagmire. I'll get back to you with a solution. Much respect. |
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Reply by: Ben_Dover at Apr 28, '21 01:23 | |
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Squishy you should add a feature in which REAL new accounts can be seen with some kind of marking, the same way accounts have a -1 or 4h, on them. Maybe make it so that the first 5-10 accounts show something saying "New" on the profile. If I knew for a fact that someone was new, I would put a hell of a lot of effort into trying to show them around and train them, instead what we have right now is just the same people coming back over and over and the recruiters have to PRETEND like they care about them to avoid going into Rebuild mode and to also fill up empty space in the crew.
As always, there are pros and cons to most things, in this case we have already tried the method of letting people try to play incogs and what not, and it hasn't worked at all for years. How about we try something new? And to avoid people trying to be smartasses and making new accounts under new emails to PRETEND like they are new, just track the IPs too. So if a person makes a new account from the same IP, they would not have the "New" tag on their profile and could also be threatened by being suspended if found to be doing sleazy shit like that. |
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