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Standards | Started by: LoveGun on Jul 12, '11 21:39 |
LoveGun stepped off the curb and into the wet street. It was raining, coming down in sheets, the people scattered. She never understood that, it was just rain. An umbrella was opened above her head, held by her left hand, while her right brought the half empty bottle of rum to her lips. On the other side of the street she continued down the sidewalk, the wind shifted slightly. The rain kissed her cheek for a moment before she was able to adjust the umbrella. Another sip of rum, her insides cooling and her mind going back to a calmer place. LoveGun was still reeling off the comments she heard about and her thoughts flitted back to a few hours ago when the whole thing happened. |
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Archer listened while his leader spoke. When she finished, he noticed the crowd around him murmuring silently. Listening in, he saw what all the fuss was about. |
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Reply by: ArchieArcher at Jul 12, '11 22:09 | |
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LoveGun left the soap box behind, but not the crowed. She swayed into the audience to see if anyone's thoughts would be heard. A voice did reach her ears, one that she did not expect. ArchieArcher, one of the newer members of her own family and just a goomba. She wasn't sad or disappointed that it was him, of course not. Surprised? Yes. |
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Reply by: LoveGun at Jul 12, '11 22:18 | |
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"Godfather that do not act as role models"
Just wondering, any Godfathers in mind? |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 13, '11 03:23 | |
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Out of the whole speech Hickey, your only comment is asking if they are talking about someone specfic? |
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Reply by: -Premeir at Jul 13, '11 03:37 | |
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1) Out of the whole speech Hickey, your only comment is asking if they are talking about someone specfic? -Just asking to be honest |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 13, '11 03:47 | |
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"Does it matter who she had in mind?-In a lot a cases yes" |
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Reply by: -Premeir at Jul 13, '11 03:51 | |
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"Does it matter who she had in mind?-In a lot a cases yes"
With respect, if there was a reference to a player in game, it would make a big deel. In my own opinion, any reference to a player should be debatable. Thats just my opinion. |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 13, '11 04:00 | |
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I'm not to sure how you do things, but i don't really consider our life style a game, people die everyday, or go to jail for life. |
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Reply by: -Premeir at Jul 13, '11 04:02 | |
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But i am sure if LoveGun wanted to reference someone in our lifestyle she would have, or maybe she wanted to come give a speech on something she believed in.
I never even said that she did not post something she believed in. From the looks of it, there was a real effort put into the the thread.
And I never said if she wanted to reference someone in game that she would not have.
All I was asking is, if she is thinking of any Godfather in mind, which is a yes or no question at the end of the day to be honest. Just a simple question from me. |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 13, '11 04:12 | |
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"All I was asking is, if she is thinking of any Godfather in mind, which is a yes or no question at the end of the day to be honest. Just a simple question from me." |
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Reply by: -Premeir at Jul 13, '11 04:14 | |
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"All I was asking is, if she is thinking of any Godfather in mind, which is a yes or no question at the end of the day to be honest. Just a simple question from me."
I have got the purpose on her speech, I can see she was expressing her though on what she felt. I never said that it mattered if she was aiming at a certain member.
She clearly said what she needed to say, I cared about the content of her speech since I gave my time to read it.
My only question was " Did she have a Godafather in mind" And as always, I say this with respect |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 13, '11 04:21 | |
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Like i said, the point of the speech isn't for you to come out here and want to know if it is about a person or not. |
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Reply by: -Premeir at Jul 13, '11 04:46 | |
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To briefly address the ensuing discussion before I refer back to the speech itself; I do not think it was unreasonable of Hickey, a Detroit Don, to question whether LoveGun was making reference to someone in particular. After all there are only 5 Godfathers walking our streets, so any specific references must therefore be about one of them. LoveGun herself highlights certain events that have gone on previously and accordingly it would be easy to draw certain conclusions, should someone wish to do so. |
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Reply by: Chuckle at Jul 13, '11 13:37 | |
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As always, Chuckle. You take the words out of my mouth and express them in a way that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If I could just take one of those last bits you said there;
the standards will only improve if we take direct action to facilitate it. We have to demand more and fail to reward those who fall short of the required standard.
Obviously each of us is unaware of the requirements set forth in our respective cities for promotions, but yet each us affords the same level of respect to the ranks and positions we hold regardless of the city(s) we hail from. This I believe is down to the fact we all assume that each of us is held against the same standards. As was earlier touched on by LoveGun it might not always seem that this is the case, there are times we see people with a status which we may believe is beyond them, but who are we to judge those in another city? What right have we? We are not working with these people on a regular basis and so not of what they offer their family.
This brings me to my next point, one again touched by Chuckle, Street Presence. Many of us feel we can judge people by their ability to converse in public, or lack there of. As Chuckle said, some will undoubtedly argue that the ability to speak in the Streets is not correlative to their ability as a Boss, I personally would agree with that to an extent. I do however feel that at least some form of street presence is essential in a leader, someone that should be an example to those under them. If leaders aren't seen in the streets, how can we expect those new to this thing of ours to give the streets the attention it so deserves? How can we expect it to grow when we don't encourage the new blood to inject some fresh ideas? Quite simply, we can't. This is part of the reason things become so stagnant and dull, in my opinion.
Now, I'm the first to hold my hands up and say that I feel I can do more in this regard, I strive to show my face when I can and make it known to those under me that I encourage them to visit the streets and speak their mind, but at the same time, it has been a long time since i've actually managed to start any sort of discussion of my own - which leads me to the first part of my last point - Old Bloodlines. There are many many people that walk these streets that I can connect myself to, via a number of generations of family. This shows me that this world is clearly filled with people that have been taught by older generations, this again leads us to the fact that they will be less inclinned to begin discussions in the streets, as they will have heard 90% of these discussions before from their parents or from reading a journal left by an ancestor. Now, not only does the above directly affect activity in our streets, its also a major factor in our previous point regarding the fact people are often promoted despite not showing/doing enough in some peoples opinions. Its all too common that we support the friends of our relatives and afford them positions in our family and a stature possibly beyond that which they have earned. We all know it happens, we all know why it happens, and most of us will readily admit we don't see it changing anytime soon. This, I believe, is our biggest downfall. The nepitisim that exists in our world will always stiffle the new blood, those that were eager to learn become deflated and bored as they watch their chances slip through their fingers as another old friend is given the chances before them, often regardless of the input they have had.
Ok, I feel like I may be side tracking myself so I'll leave it there for now, I hope I didn't meander as much as Chuckle did and that my points are clear. |
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Reply by: AlabamaWorley at Jul 13, '11 14:49 | |
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Like i said, the point of the speech isn't for you to come out here and want to know if it is about a person or not. - Are you serious? I said I know what the point of the speech is, I am clearly asking a question. |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 13, '11 15:08 | |
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My perspective is not better than anyone's here, I haven't been here long while some that spoke before me have done great things in their lifetime. I do however have a different perspective. Before I got here not too long ago, my family hadn't been in this city in 3 years, maybe more. I'm talking about my different perspective because I can remove myself from the transition from then till now and just look at then and now. A few years ago there were takeovers and takeover attempts all the time. People would pop up one day with their own crew in an attempt to take over LCN in this country, or just to go out in a blaze of glory. My dad and like 12 cousins, heh, were never apart of those crews, but they told me what was going on with much excitement. There was a feeling in the air that anyone could be taken out. Not to say it was easy, it never was. My family saw some powerful ass people rule and survive a lot of coups.
Not only was there the excitement of power grabs and the attempts, all the families weren't as friendly as they are now. Yes it's nice when people can live long, make lots of money, but this leads to what I'm getting to, as this is not just about how easy it is or is not to take people out, please bear with me...
What I'm saying isn't so simple as "war iz good, peace iz badd". Look at it this way. The world we live in is a unique one. When things are quiet in this world, even if they're profitable, when things are quiet and monotonous it can be incredibly disappointing. People will get bored. They won't show up much and they will have a lot less to talk about. So look at the forms of chaos I said used to be in these lands....that chaos kept people interested. They felt like the whole world could change at any time, and sometimes it did. So it's not just about war, but the threat and/or possibility of change stemmed into every other aspect of this world. There was so much more to say on the streets. There were interesting discussions and arguments going on all the time because not everyone loved each other, absolute power could be lost in an instant, people were just more active and interested. There were more reasons to work than just to make some money. And there was...Revan.
I only spoke up here because I thought maybe my perspective, with the 3 year gap and all, might paint a broader, but also maybe a clearer picture of how much things have changed. I will not get into what the great leaders of our thing or the gods could or should do. It isn't my place and I just got back here.
Final note, I am not leaving, I am enjoying my time here and I love being in New York. I hope to get to know more of you and make an impact on our thing. I do have some peaceful, money making ideas I will be talking over with my people. Things that will be profitable and entertaining. |
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Reply by: Mikey at Jul 13, '11 15:40 | |
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I think everyone here has made valid points in regards to the current situation we find ourselves in. |
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Reply by: Guiseppe at Jul 13, '11 15:57 | |
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Standards and Respect is what makes our world spin around its axis. Yes the axis wobbles and sometimes the poles flip but a modicum of the aforementioned is always in place. |
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Reply by: EvilClown- at Jul 13, '11 20:04 | |
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By this point LoveGun was fairly drunk off her drink and completely annoyed by Hickey. His constant argument was giving her head a massive migraine. Not from the points he wanted to examine, but in the way he brought them to the spot light. Was this man just looking for attention? She asked herself. Maybe he was just as drunk as she was. LoveGun made a note to ask him herself, if she remembered.
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Reply by: LoveGun at Jul 13, '11 22:55 | |
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