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| Welcome New Blood! | Started by: Kendra_McTavish on Apr 11, '08 16:58 |
| If it was banned I was not made aware, Sir, so my apologies for treading on any policies that have been put into effect behind closed doors. I shall cease and desist my efforts at increasing our community, if this is what you wish to happen. | |
| Reply by: Kendra_McTavish at Apr 13, '08 13:11 | |
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Why would this be banned, are we that set in our ways that we don't want to encourage at least some of the newer people to stay? Sure it's nice to have targets but is that all we are bringing people in for? |
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| Reply by: SmokingKills at Apr 13, '08 13:14 | |
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| Sorry am I missing something here? What exactly has been banned? | |
| Reply by: TesleR at Apr 13, '08 13:19 | |
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Don't know what you mean Kendra, it was in place long before your boss stepped into his bold boots and he accepted it on his accension. I would've thought the two of you would have discussed such issues or you would have at least asked before embarking on such an endeavour. Stopkillingme: It's nothing to do with targets or leaving the new out to dry, it is to do with whoring. Other measures have been put in place to assist new mafioso getting in families to compensate for this initiative. |
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| Reply by: PrinceofCheese at Apr 13, '08 13:27 | |
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Excuse me sir but I believe your mistaking me for someone else. I just wondered what you meant by it being banned, I've never in my lines history known of it being banned that the older members of our community could help guide the newer members. |
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| Reply by: SmokingKills at Apr 13, '08 13:29 | |
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See, this is where I believe the lines are foggy, Sir Cheese. I never once in all my ancestor's journals read anything wrong about approaching newer members of our world and giving them sound advice. What is the difference between them contacting me first with a question and my responding? Nothing, except that I am painting myself to be a person available to help them with anything they may need. As to this mention of "whoring", well Sir Cheese I do believe you are extremely off the mark. I am but a temporary Right Hand for El_Nino, and as such have not handed out one invite request. As you can also see, our headquarters is full to bursting, so that sort of puts a crimp on your "whoring" theory. Have you bothered to read my guide? My assumption is no. In no way, shape or form have I mentioned joining El_Nino's crew. In fact, dear Cheese, I have used your own likeness for a section of my guide. I tried to keep things as fair as possible, but if you honestly want me to stop, I will. If you'd rather these newcomers become cannon fodder for guns, then I'll be more than happy to burn the rest of the copies of my book and leave this project where it started. |
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| Reply by: Kendra_McTavish at Apr 13, '08 13:33 | |
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Pardon me if i'm wrong but, isn't the whole point in appointing a trusted Captain to get to know the younger blood? To mold them and shape then and guide them to be respectable Mafioso, so that one day they may get Made and Join the main family? I guess I must have gotten lost in translation as to when and where helping new members was banned? Seeing as PrinceofCheese is the only leader currently with a Captain set up. I agree that member whoring is wrong, and I personally don't condone that at all, but helping a new Mafioso get his feet on the ground should not be banned at all. |
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| Reply by: Ariel at Apr 13, '08 13:34 | |
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Kendra - your interpretation is 1. Wrong and 2. Not open to debate. Your familial capacity is a moot point, the iniatives scope is signiciantly wider than this. All leaders (including those currently alive) made a decision on this that no approaches were necessary at all. Type, volume or quality is irrelevant. I can only imagine why you think your ancestors journal would be useful since your leaders mind would be a much more appropriate measure of accuracy. |
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| Reply by: PrinceofCheese at Apr 13, '08 13:39 | |
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I dont think his cheesiness was suggesting that YOU were whoring. And I can see where he is coming from on this. In days of old, when numbers were plenty, new arrivals were being met off the boats with flyers advertising every family. This meant that while families were great in numbers, their members werent exactly the sharpest tools in the box. Any family needs to be strong and without wishing to sound cliched, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. I like to see what you are doing here, to me its much needed. I have to disagree with Tesler though, I think its up to an individual themselves to make an effort to find their way around, like we all had to do at one point. You cant lead people around by the hand, what are they gonna learn from that approach. But by all means give them friendship, encouragement, advise and if they have half a brain they can figure the rest out for themselves along the way. |
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| Reply by: K-Dawg at Apr 13, '08 13:40 | |
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Right then, I suppose I will cease and desist. Thank you for clarifying this point for myself, as well as many other out-of-the-loop Mafiosi, Prince of Cheeses. This will be a good learning point for those who wish to embark on such projects in the future to not waste their breath. Consider my efforts exhausted. |
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| Reply by: Kendra_McTavish at Apr 13, '08 13:43 | |
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Don't know what you mean about others as it was only a leader and RH agreement. The fact you are "out of the loop" is an embarassment to yourself so don't try to make it like it was a secret behind closed doors meeting when every single other leader and RH (temporary or otherwise) seems crystal clear on the point. |
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| Reply by: PrinceofCheese at Apr 13, '08 13:46 | |
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"You cant lead people around by the hand, what are they gonna learn from that approach." Absolutely nothing, but I never mentioned leading people around by the hand, I was just saying that there are other ways of measuring a persons respect than listening to their introduction speach. Talking to them is but 1 of many. Like I said previously, some of these new arrivals are lacking in the impressive introduction area and due to this they are neglected and at a later date shot. I just feel it would be better if people would help them out a little more, get to know them and then decide for yourself whether they merit an invitation to your family. I agree it's good to see people acting on their own initiative, this shows great character, but some Mafiosi need guidance and a hand here and there. I'm not saying let's hand out invites to any Tom, Dick or Harry, I'm not saying let's whore everything that breathes, I'm saying let's not neglect these new arrivals who don't have a clue what they're doing, these "mere civilians" are the future of our lifestyle, it would be severely wrong to leave them as a target for the over eager hitters. However, I hold no power over what happens in our world and as we have been informed any kind of approach is classed as illegal. So it would be pointless to debate any further since it would be an act of disrespect in questioning the decision of our leaders. |
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| Reply by: TesleR at Apr 13, '08 13:53 | |
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One of my predecessor's made a nice speech about this. We have reached the stage where we are so dictated to, that we feel "can i join you?" from a new Civilian is an acceptable invite request. It isn't. All they have to do and I really mean this is considered acceptable to get you into any crew with space, is send "can i join you?" to anyone in bold or italics. How much easier can it be? It isn't tough to survive in this world. In fact I can think of few things less challenging. Four words will keep you alive. That is terrible in itself. I'm disgusted that invites like this are considered acceptable. The precedent was set long ago and we are still, along with many aspects of the world, feeling the continued benefit for poor decisions. I won't be encouraging my associates to be contacting Civilians. We have cheapened the experience of this world so much it is heartbreaking. I won't be responsible for lowering it any further. It should be an honour to get into an organiztion, having a meagre grasp of English shouldn't be enough. We should be doing less to handhold these individuals, not more. However, we've long since abandoned reality in a desperation to attract people, therefore I can accept members of staff contacting people. Cheesey is right, this policy was known to all the recent crewleaders, past and present. I can actually remember the conversation where Sprozzington mentioned it again. Inferring anything other than complete transparency on this decision between the leaders is a lie. |
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| Reply by: Numbers4Glory at Apr 13, '08 14:39 | |
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Since when has it been "illegal" to send a note of welcome and offers of help and guidance to those that are new? I have looked through the forums and cannot find such a rule in print. Why can't we reach out and help these people as we were helped in the past? We didn't come to the cities knowing everything. We had people to help us, not just the Help Desk. You have to admit that the population of our world is concerning. It's at an all time low. Why can't we lend a hand and try to keep people coming to this place? Since when do we not care about community growth? Do you want things to stay in the state they are currently in? Instead of coming TO our shores they are running away! Morale, numbers, everything is at an all time low. Not even during the Anita regime were things this bad. She at least showed some form of concern and frustration, all you have shown is a "I don't give a fuck" attitude. The only auths that have been made are your cronies and those you feel you can push around with intimidation. There are plenty of GOOD people sitting there waiting but haven't bothered because they know they have no chance. They do not wear a CP badge or kiss a CP ass so they will never be considered for auth. No babysitting from Angelical Death? Ok... So why can't we as people help? Why are WE being told it is ILLEGAL to HELP this thing we care about so much grow?!?! Why can't WE say "YAY NEW PEOPLE LET'S GROW AND HAVE FUN AGAIN"? Most of us see new people and think it's great, finally, something new... You guys seem to think "Yay! 48 hours to a week and we have targets! Fuck the community, let's just look out for ourselves." Good on you POC and your happy CP compatriots. You have done WONDERS for improving this place. You have done a FANTASTIC job of running things... INTO THE FUCKING GROUND. Grow up. Get your heads out of your asses. Quit being paranoid fuckers who are more concerned about your own ass than the rest of us. This place isn't about you, it's about everyone. Let it grow. Fucking auth those that deserve it not those who kiss your ass enough. Let those that can do the job do it. You've just fucked things up for the rest of us and I don't think you can fix it. I hope the Gods intervene and you're tossed out on your ass. I for one won't be back until you're out of power.. There's no point in being here. Give it another few weeks and the only ones here on any form of regular basis will be the CP and the ones who idolize them. The rest of us may have just gone back to our roots. Or is that your goal? Just you and your friends playing in an open field. |
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| Reply by: Caveman at Apr 13, '08 15:14 | |
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You are allowed to contact people. Just RHM's and leaders aren't, as we feel it's inappropriate. Read much? |
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| Reply by: Deviant at Apr 13, '08 15:20 | |
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| Reply by: Numbers4Glory at Apr 13, '08 15:20 | |
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So the leaders of our thing won't HELP the new people? Are you afraid to get off your ass and put some effort into things now that you are sitting up high and are basically untouchable? Shouldn't YOU as LEADERS be setting an example for the rest of us? Shouldn't YOU as LEADERS be leading the community rather than watching us scurry around earnings your money and keeping you safe like a colony of ants? HAVE YOU THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOUR SUBJECTS ARE NOT HAPPY AND GROWING RESTLESS WITH YOUR IDIOCY? We can help, but you can't or won't. It's probably more a case of won't than can't in this case though. We do the work, you get the rewards, we continue to work, and you continue to sit nice and safe above the rest of us. WE make things grow, you take the fucking credit. Yes, this is the Mafia but you are nothing but a lazy bunch of bastards drunk on power. You may be leaders but YOU DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THIS THING OF OURS OUT TOO. More than having a bold, slanty, or boldslanty name. YOU are the ones that the new people will come to. Not us. |
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| Reply by: Caveman at Apr 13, '08 15:28 | |
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"as we feel it's inappropriate" I believe that was clarified. |
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| Reply by: Major_Jerkovski at Apr 13, '08 15:32 | |
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Do you mean like.. Sending the gods a sample mail and asking for it to be sent to all new people, clearly explaining what they need to do in the next 48 hours? Or perhaps... Before this is done, having a schizophrenic experience and sending all the new mafiosi welcome mails from my alter ego, Tallien, rather than spending time being "normal"? (OOC: logged into playing account). Both done, just fyi. Also, it's fairly obvious who is writing those replies for you. |
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| Reply by: Deviant at Apr 13, '08 15:33 | |
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Actually no, you're going to new people. That was what this was all about. If new people were coming to us, surely this wouldn't be an issue and you wouldn't be crying. Please stop these wild and unfounded accusations. Where was the idiocy displayed? Was it when we took power or maintained it? The only mistake was in giving these so called deserving people a chance. Demonstrated by the betrayal of Limoncello. Who are these people you're talking about? It is awfully coincidental that your nameless rankers are being passed over, but those outside our circle who are continually authed must be ass kissers. Please provide evidence of your claims or shut your mouth. |
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| Reply by: Numbers4Glory at Apr 13, '08 15:35 | |
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