Do you have a death wish, Furby...?

Firstly, this was an in character move, made by a character within the game, so this should have been a street thread. You aren't being out of character. Funerals aren't out of character. The actions that have offended you aren't out of character. Why aren't we in the streets?

...so you could attempt to dodge the repercussions that are associated with criticising people infinitely more power than you are. Let's not kid ourselves, that is the only reason you made this in OOC, to try to have a bitch without getting shot for it by using the OOC forum as a shield to hide behind. I've always hated when people try to use OOC forum or the IRC network as a defence to them saying things they know they shouldn't and I don't think it has ever been valid - and it isn't here either. If you're addressing aspects of people's legitimate playing of the game, that has no place in the OOC forum. No rules have been broken, no coding has changed, so don't try to appeal to a higher power to get things changed for you. It sickens me when I see people trying to wheedle out of responsibility for their words and even more so when they then try to smother their criticism with the OOC forum.

Statements like this are endemic of a large problem that has always festered amongst people here;

However, do we disown them for their actions? Do we decide that were gonna throw years of friendship away because of something they did. Well I gotta say no.

You should absolutely fucking disown them. You probably shouldn't actually be friends with them in the first place. Do you know why? Because your character and their character probably shouldn't even be friends. Hell, what they did was probably directly counter-productive to your character, but you can't see the distinction between where the character starts and your IRC buddy ends. That is why people treat everything said in IRC as reflective of a character - because you've got no perception of the difference.

Give me a break with your "too old school" line. Whether you're old school, pre-school or fucking university, you've never been able to spew things like this in any form about a legitimate in character action and be free of the consequences of doing so. Similarly, GillKrundle's post about sources of information has always been true. I'm a little surprised you made it this far if you truly didn't believe that was the case.

And finally, to the actual decision that was made - it was a decision made by a Godfather about members of his city. If you don't like how he is running that city, then you should know what the options are. Who gives a shit what you feel is acceptable? Not me and evidently not that Godfather as he is the one who makes the rules and his leaders enforce them. Chicago is his city and her members are subject to the rules and decisions he makes. Nobody forces you to shelter under the Chicago umbrella, feel free to go elsewhere if you are dissatisfied. Power speaks loudest around here and always has. If you can't deal with that, you're in the wrong game, not just the wrong forum.

~C~

Blair walks in the church with a bouquet of white lilies. She walks to the coffin and lays the flowers inside of her brother's coffin.

"My brother,my mentor, my leader...it's devastating to see you here!You were a good man, a good friend and a good leader to me and to everyone else. Your kind heart was what makes you be on the top in this world...cause this is what makes you different. The right leaders have to know how to handle their feelings first and then to go on with their actions. You did that and i am sure that you continue like that." Blair says with a sharp voice and expression. She closes her eyes, takes a big breath and then opens them. She turns to the audience and glares at all the hypocrites who just watching this funeral.

"NO! I am NOT afraid to show my pain and my love to my brother and to my friend!Whoever finds it wrong should NOT be here!My brother spoke for once the truth about how our "LEADERS" do their own without even having any concequences!And i ask all of you...where the hell is the rules here? The rules are only for the low rankers or for everyone??"

"Rest in peace my brother... i assume that i will see you soon after this speech and i LOVE your courage"

This is my answer to my brother's funeral!!All i want to say is there!!This is my opinion!!I know how to honor my beloved people something that very few in here know how to do it or...FEEL it!

~BlairWaldorf~

Chuckle, I dont even know where to begin here in answer to your post. This was an out of character speech by me, Kevin Clarke on how absolutely disgusted I am at the behaviour of the powers that be. First and foremost, this is a game, and we all have friends here within the game. Sometimes our friends end up on a different team as ourselves, and sometimes we have to perform actions against our friends or vice versa. Thats all part of the game.

But to start wacking and demoting people for posting in their FRIENDs funeral threads is nothing short of a fucking disgrace. It shows piss poor consideration in my eyes. We are all told to 'get along despite being thousands of miles apart' and yet you are right, the powers that be can do whatever the fuck they like. This does not mean I have to like it, I am totally entititled to my opinion.

I was asking a question out loud as a game player, not as an in game character and I have nothing to hide, there are not many things I am afraid of and speaking out is probably the least of my fears. Had I wanted to bring this to the streets I would have done in a heartbeat. And anyone who knows me can attest to that fact.

This used to be a game, a game where you could sign up, do your thing, play the game and have a life outside of the game via IRC, via other avenues, you could give your personal opinions and not have to fear reprise. The game has gone downhill slowly in my opinion and Im simply expressing that fact.

If you have anything further to say about me or my character and I mean my personal character, kevin Clarke, Ill gladly send you my address and put the kettle on.............. Same goes for anyone else.

This is the bit you're not getting. In the game, in the funeral, you're in character. You aren't Kevin Clarke, you're Caoimhin or Tarbh, etc. In the game, your OOC friend just did something ridiculously stupid that would likely cost you money, time and could have put your life in jeopardy. If that happened to you in real life, you wouldn't laugh and smile and think 'oh what a card', you would be thinking, at least 'holy shit, I could have died'. There is a line between where their IRC persona ends and their character begins.

For as long as I've played this game, so like what, 7-8 years, people have always died if they made game analysis and statements on IRC that were not appropriate. Always. You can have your personal opinions, provided you express them in an acceptable way, same as always. Nothing has changed in that regard and I guess you must be talking about even further back than that with your "used to" perception of the game. Since I've been here that hasn't been the case.

I'm a strong advocate against a lot of the changes in the game, few more so in fact, but one of the things that will never erode the game is actually playing it properly. That is all Roman has done here, he made a decision as a powerful crewleader. I'm on bored for discussion of things that are actually OOC in OOC, just not in-character decisions.

As to your ludicruous closing comment, I'll choose to ignore that.

~C~

"If you don't like what I have to say, I'll fight you about it." Really? I mean... really? That's what you come down to? Because your argument that you should be free, in character, to say whatever you want with no repercussions is ridiculous, and has been pointed out as ridiculous, you jump right to "Wanna fight about it?"

That's the saddest thing ever, when you can't back up your position in ways to get others to think about what you're saying, and just go for violence. It means you KNOW your position is untenable and yet... you're backed into a corner and and your pride won't let you just walk away.

Funerals have always been in character. ALWAYS. Since the start of this game, funerals have been in character. You are saying goodbye to THAT CHARACTER when they die. So yes, absolutely, you should know that if you say something disrespectful - whether it's to that person, or about your leader (namely, in my opinion, your snide little "big brother" comment) - you'll be punished for it.

And frankly, to me, there is a difference between an honest OOC discussion where you want other people's opinions, even about something controversial - which should not be punished, and ranting like a petulant child and then trying to hide behind "but it's OOC you can't kill me" - which this absolutely was.

Finally, the simple fact is, your city's Godfather can kill you at any time, for any reason, or for no reason. That's the benefit of being Godfather. You don't have to like it, hell, I don't like it. But it's the way it is. -Premeir killed my last two characters, one for something I said on the streets, one for something I said in OOC. I'll admit the streets killing was deserved, but I had - and still have - a big problem with the fact that I was killed for an OOC comment. And yet... do you see me here ranting about it? No. It happened. If YOU were a Godfather, you'd have the same luxury.

I think, quite honestly, what it all boils down to is... Roman is a Godfather. You're not. You don't like that, so you're going to take your ball and go home. And that's fine, whatever, but don't try and pretend it's anything but that.

"This used to be a game, a game where you could sign up, do your thing, play the game and have a life outside of the game via IRC, via other avenues, you could give your personal opinions and not have to fear reprise. The game has gone downhill slowly in my opinion and Im simply expressing that fact."

This is absolutely moronic. You can still sign up, you can still "do your thing", play the game, and have a life outside of the game. When you fail to differentiate between the life outside the game and the life within, you cannot, without hypocrisy, comment on the poor differentiation of others. If you are friends OOC, but in different (and maybe rival) cities and families, you should put that OOC friendship aside, if you expect the same to be done for you. Don't act on your OOC feelings (wishing well for a rogue) in an in-game event (funeral), and expect your words not to be taken with weight.

I find what has been happening to be highly disturbing. It makes no sense to kill someone for simply attending a funeral - that's what friend's do after all right? Furthermore, these people were killed without confrontation. They were killed in their sleep and had no chance to explain themselves.

For the other mafiosos, let this be a warning that always be alert as to what you post in peoples' funerals. Every action on mafia has a consequence.